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Birmingham City Council bans apostrophes from road signs
Birmingham Post ^ | Jan 29 2009 | Paul Dale

Posted on 01/29/2009 10:32:34 AM PST by forkinsocket

They’ve been a source of utter confusion to school-children over the years. And it’s a brave adult who can be absolutely certain where to put the little beast.

So to make things simpler, Birmingham City Council has decided road signs and place names should not have apostrophes.

After years spent arguing the finer points of whether Kings Heath should be King’s Heath, or even Kings’ Heath, and if it would be better to call Acock’s Green Acocks Green, local authority leaders have concluded the safest thing is not to bother at all.

All remaining apostrophes will disappear as signs are replaced, and English language pedants hoping for a return to the days of Druid’s Heath and King’s Norton are being warned to expect to be disappointed.

The ruling was agreed by cabinet transportation member Len Gregory following a review of the use, or non-use, of the apostrophe in Kings Heath.

Asked whether there might not be a place for apostrophes, Coun Gregory (Con Billesley) said: “I don’t see the point of them.

“If it was to give more clarity to the people of Birmingham it might be something we would look at, but I see no benefits at all.”

The decision was described as “absolute defeatism” by John Richards, founder of the Apostrophe Protection Society.

Mr Richards, whose website on the correct use of the apostrophe has had over one million hits, said: “This is setting a terrible example. All over Birmingham, and in other cities, teachers are trying to teach children correct grammar and punctuation.

“Now children will go around Birmingham and see utter chaos.

“If you don’t have apostrophes, is there any point in full stops, or semi-colons, or question marks? Is there any point in punctuation at all?”

Moseley and Kings Heath Liberal Democrat councillor Martin Mullaney, who devised the new policy, believes Birmingham should follow the example of America, which dropped the possessive apostrophe in place names in 1890.

Coun Mullaney, who chairs the transportation scrutiny committee, said: “I know I am opening up a right can of worms here. I have had a lot of people saying keep the apostrophe, and I know I am on a hiding to nothing. The apostrophe police will be on to me.

“But we have to make a decision. Either we reintroduce the apostrophe across the whole city, or we don’t.”

Birmingham has been inventing its own rules of grammar since the 1950s, with apostrophes being routinely removed when cast iron street signs are given a new coat of paint.

The result is that most street and place names no longer have an apostrophe.

Council websites do not include apostrophes in place names, although most A-Z maps and the Ordnance Survey do.

One of the main arguments behind the new strategy involves the importance to emergency services of using the internet to find directions to incidents.

“It would be tragic if the ambulance couldn’t find your street if you forgot to include the apostrophe when calling 999,” Coun Mullaney added.

He said he hoped other cities would follow Birmingham’s lead, adding: “It would be good to have a national policy on this.”


TOPICS: Culture/Society; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: apostrophes; ban; signs; uk
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1 posted on 01/29/2009 10:32:34 AM PST by forkinsocket
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“It would be tragic if the ambulance couldn’t find your street if you forgot to include the apostrophe when calling 999,”

Hes dumb. We dont say "apostrophe" when were speaking.

Its odd, isnt it?

2 posted on 01/29/2009 10:38:22 AM PST by Flycatcher (Strong copy for a strong America)
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To: forkinsocket

It’s common practice to not use apostrophes in place/street names in America.

Both sides are making a mountain out of a mole hill. Or should that’s be a mole’s hill?


3 posted on 01/29/2009 10:38:34 AM PST by for-q-clinton (If at first you don't succeed keep on sucking until you do succeed)
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To: Flycatcher

BTW: What is calling 999?


4 posted on 01/29/2009 10:39:17 AM PST by for-q-clinton (If at first you don't succeed keep on sucking until you do succeed)
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>>And it’s a brave adult who can be absolutely certain where to put the little beast.<<

Then I guess I’m brave as all hell, and have been since 1986 when I became technically an adult. Apostrophes are not difficult.


5 posted on 01/29/2009 10:40:58 AM PST by Xenalyte (Anything is possible when you don't understand how anything happens.)
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Im knot Brit.

Eye dont no. Im sorry.

6 posted on 01/29/2009 10:41:50 AM PST by Flycatcher (Strong copy for a strong America)
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To: for-q-clinton

999 is Britain’s 911.


7 posted on 01/29/2009 10:42:07 AM PST by Xenalyte (Anything is possible when you don't understand how anything happens.)
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To: for-q-clinton

The possessive apostrophe will probably disappear anyway because nobody knows how to use it correctly nowadays. Generally, the sense is obvious from the context, so I doubt that it will make much difference (although for those of us who grew up with it, there will always be something missing).


8 posted on 01/29/2009 10:42:11 AM PST by livius
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“follow the example of America, which dropped the possessive apostrophe in place names in 1890.”

Not to mention, “Dumbing down public education since the 1960’s”.


9 posted on 01/29/2009 10:42:16 AM PST by ChicagahAl (It's mourning in America. Mourning our dearly departed freedom, liberty, security and wealth.)
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To: forkinsocket

I do’nt see why its wrong you’re having apostrophe’s?


10 posted on 01/29/2009 10:43:31 AM PST by Revolting cat! (Let us prey!)
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BTW: What is calling 999?

It's the Number of the Beast south of the equator.

11 posted on 01/29/2009 10:43:35 AM PST by N. Theknow (Kennedys: Can't fly, can't ski, can't drive, can't skipper a boat. But they know what's best.)
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Shows the real success of American Public education, now doesn't it?

“Public schooling” is an oxymoron.

12 posted on 01/29/2009 10:46:51 AM PST by bill1952 (McCain and the GOP were worthless)
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Mr Richards, whose website on the correct use of the apostrophe has had over one million hits, said: “This is setting a terrible example. All over Birmingham, and in other cities, teachers are trying to teach children correct grammar and punctuation.”

The “Apostrophe Catastrophe”

13 posted on 01/29/2009 10:47:27 AM PST by EggsAckley
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To: N. Theknow

LOL!


14 posted on 01/29/2009 10:49:10 AM PST by UCANSEE2 (The Last Boy Scout)
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To: forkinsocket

Wow, I’m elated to see them do away with those pesky little guys. Can we look forward to no longer having to worry about verb and subject agreement, or when to use bigger or biggest, and of the course the Mother of all of them, further or farther?

I can’t wait to stop by the grave of Miss Dobbins, my senior English teacher 50 years ago, and tell her!


15 posted on 01/29/2009 10:49:13 AM PST by jwparkerjr (God Bless America!)
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16 posted on 01/29/2009 10:49:36 AM PST by Doohickey (The more cynical you become, the better off you'll be.)
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17 posted on 01/29/2009 10:56:03 AM PST by Revolting cat! (Let us prey!)
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18 posted on 01/29/2009 10:59:16 AM PST by Revolting cat! (Let us prey!)
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I read somewhere that google.com has a bias against apostrophes and takes it out on select sites but not all of them. Go figure, if true.
19 posted on 01/29/2009 11:00:48 AM PST by apocalypto
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20 posted on 01/29/2009 11:02:50 AM PST by Revolting cat! (Let us prey!)
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