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Lawmakers seek new gun legislation: Ammo control laws
examiner.com ^ | January 27, 2009 | Jim Kouri

Posted on 01/28/2009 7:50:39 PM PST by neverdem

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To: odin2008
"I agree. There is a line being drawn and I am sorry to say that when push comes to shove,I believe 90% of gun owners will fold."

It's nice to be a member of the top 10% for a change.

81 posted on 01/29/2009 9:53:21 AM PST by Anomoly99 (Anomoly (sp) - Sorry, A product of Public Schools)
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To: panaxanax
Not doubting you at all. Do you have a link?

I'm not the original poster of that information, but it is mentioned here, on a Gunowners.org forum(^), as being a concern of the GOA in 1996.

BTW: the little identification bits are called taggants, and iirc, already exists in larger explosives like dynamite.

Quote from the article on the forum:
Some in Congress felt that the taggants study was written carefully enough to gut the provision. That is, they say the study will be conducted by private industries, rather than the government. While this is certainly to be preferred (rather than having the BATF conduct the study), it still amounts to a compromise. Gun owners need to hold accountable the legislators who voted for this "compromise." Once these legislators have voted IN FAVOR of a taggants provision, it may be more difficult for them to vote against one in the future. Besides, what happens if technology improves one day and taggants really do become safe? Will these pro-gun Congressmen then swallow the idea of tracing gunpowder and registering ammunition?

Simple solution is to pour out the powder and replace it with a like amount of powder from your shotgun shells, etc.

Please don't do that. But if you must, don't stand near me at the range. :)

82 posted on 01/29/2009 10:02:16 AM PST by mountainbunny
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To: goodnesswins

I sold all of my guns when Obama was sworn-in. I won’t need them now.


83 posted on 01/29/2009 10:12:37 AM PST by chesty_puller (70-73 USMC VietNam 75-79 US Army Wash DC....VietNam was safer.)
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To: chesty_puller

>I sold all of my guns when Obama was sworn-in. I won’t need them now.

A lot of them did that. Others lost them in tragic ice-fishing accidents, or sold to that nameless guy in the gun shop parking lot.

LQ


84 posted on 01/29/2009 10:47:10 AM PST by LizardQueen (The world is not out to get you, except in the sense that the world is out to get everyone.)
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To: an amused spectator
I have the perfect disposal site in mind...

Indeed, I can think of several.

85 posted on 01/29/2009 10:52:38 AM PST by Charles Martel (Liberals are the crab grass in the lawn of life.)
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To: Jacob Morgan
Umm, OK, so Mr criminal uses an inertia bullet puller or even a pair of pliers to extract the bullet from the shell, files off the serial number, and pushes the bullet back into the shell. About 45 seconds to make this completely pointless in actually solving an actual murder, but that was never the point in the first place was it?

I'm not certain, but I think this is another case of someone who knows nothing about guns misusing the word "bullet". AFAIK, they're proposing to put the microstamp or laser engraving on the head of the brass cartridge case, not the heel of the projectile.

86 posted on 01/29/2009 1:06:48 PM PST by Charles Martel (Liberals are the crab grass in the lawn of life.)
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To: ponygirl
I've been called a gun nut more than once, but a friend of mine that retired from the CIA during the Clinton debacle, once said he didn't own a gun, not even one. I asked why and he said if he needed one he would have more than one in a few minutes. He also said he would have machine guns and even heavier weapons if needed by the next day.

To make a long story short, when the sheite hits the fan, there will be several cops dead in the first few minutes sans weapons, and many Natl. Guard armories broken into by the next day. He wasn't kidding. Some of his exploits were in some bad places in S. America and Africa. He said why pay for guns that will be taken away because they know you have them when you can get the government to pay for them and maintain them for you until you need them?

I'm not sure how far the government wants to take this stuff, but I'm also not sure where the "last straw" or the "hair that broke the camels back", is quite yet.

I do know that many here seem to think they won't give up their guns, but I know England, New Zealand, and Australia seem to hand theirs over quite easily. I don't know where that invisible line is that so many say they won't cross. Ruby Ridge was just a first, then came Waco. When the BATF is killing your family, will their be any help coming, or will we all watch the 6 o'clock news and say "They must have been some of them "gun nuts". As radical as Idaho is in some places, they just carried signs outside the perimeter while a mans family was slaughtered.

87 posted on 01/29/2009 6:45:01 PM PST by chuckles
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To: chuckles
"...I do know that many here seem to think they won't give up their guns, but I know England, New Zealand, and Australia seem to hand theirs over quite easily. I don't know where that invisible line is that so many say they won't cross. Ruby Ridge was just a first, then came Waco. When the BATF is killing your family, will their be any help coming, or will we all watch the 6 o'clock news and say "They must have been some of them "gun nuts". As radical as Idaho is in some places, they just carried signs outside the perimeter while a mans family was slaughtered. "

Good Points.

88 posted on 01/29/2009 7:50:11 PM PST by Screaming_Gerbil (The light at the end of the tunnel might be an oncoming train...)
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To: chuckles

Don’t forget New Orleans during Katrina. Lots of people willingly handed over their guns... or I should say, lots of law-abiding people did.


89 posted on 01/29/2009 8:20:21 PM PST by ponygirl (I am opposed to Communists of any color.)
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To: Charles Martel
AFAIK, they're proposing to put the microstamp or laser engraving on the head of the brass cartridge case, not the heel of the projectile.

Actually, both plans are being pushed - the gun stamping the cartridge case as it's fired, and laser-engraving serial numbers on bullets.

90 posted on 01/29/2009 8:21:28 PM PST by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: DuncanWaring
Yes, I see that now. The "Ammunition Accountability" proposals are actually separate from the microstamping nonsense - the laser-engraved serial numbers would appear not only on the base of the projectile, but on the *inside* of the brass case as well.

As usual, these "crime control" measures wouldn't impact the actual criminals at all, and would in fact create many, many new criminals out of otherwise law-abiding Americans.

91 posted on 01/30/2009 4:45:12 AM PST by Charles Martel (Liberals are the crab grass in the lawn of life.)
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To: Starfleet Command

I agree. The Russians were a lot of things. Backward, technologically inferior tyrannical, oppressive ... and they were not stupid. As a matter of fact, given all their weaknesses, sometimes we were playing checkers while they were playing chess. Leftist in this country, on the other hand, depend on stupidity. It is required in order to advance the left, and misinformed “useful idiots” are the backbone of the Democratic Party.


92 posted on 01/30/2009 4:54:34 AM PST by Wildbill22
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To: JamesA
Will all the law abiding firearm owners put up or shut up.

My guess is that about 90% of them will give up and then shut up. Everybody talks in such hushed tones about the new american Revolution or the next Civil War. Not going to happen. This country will roll over and expire with but a small whimper. We did it to ourselves. The proof is in our society and in Christian eschatology. Think about it. If you're the prince of Darkness and you want your minions to gain control of an entire society and you're willing to wait generations what is the surest path to success? Education of course. You infiltrate all levels of education, public and private, nationwide. Then you gradually substitute your agenda for the traditional values already in place. At some point within, say, 40 or 50 years you look around and realize you're running things. If you're wildly successful, the stuff you demonize has spread like a cancer to the population and that has happened in the cases about gun control. In order to survive, our population will agree to surgical removal of the cancer.

93 posted on 01/30/2009 8:09:01 AM PST by ExSoldier (Democracy is 2 wolves and a lamb voting on dinner. Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the vote.)
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To: skr
You have freep-mail.
94 posted on 01/30/2009 8:13:28 AM PST by ExSoldier (Democracy is 2 wolves and a lamb voting on dinner. Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the vote.)
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To: ExSoldier

We had better wake up, look at this! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yTq2NEUlhDE


95 posted on 01/30/2009 8:55:05 AM PST by JamesA (He who hesitates is lost.)
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To: neverdem
My preferred firearms don't eject casings and I reload every caliber.

I recognize that I am somewhat exposed as to powder, primer and cap; but I'm working on that.

Welcome to the 19th century.

96 posted on 01/30/2009 7:03:04 PM PST by elkfersupper (Member of the Original Defiant Class)
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To: Randy Larsen

count me in


97 posted on 01/30/2009 7:26:53 PM PST by biker (I have drawn my line in the sand....dare to cross, reap the whirlwind)
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