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I've been called a gun nut more than once, but a friend of mine that retired from the CIA during the Clinton debacle, once said he didn't own a gun, not even one. I asked why and he said if he needed one he would have more than one in a few minutes. He also said he would have machine guns and even heavier weapons if needed by the next day.

To make a long story short, when the sheite hits the fan, there will be several cops dead in the first few minutes sans weapons, and many Natl. Guard armories broken into by the next day. He wasn't kidding. Some of his exploits were in some bad places in S. America and Africa. He said why pay for guns that will be taken away because they know you have them when you can get the government to pay for them and maintain them for you until you need them?

I'm not sure how far the government wants to take this stuff, but I'm also not sure where the "last straw" or the "hair that broke the camels back", is quite yet.

I do know that many here seem to think they won't give up their guns, but I know England, New Zealand, and Australia seem to hand theirs over quite easily. I don't know where that invisible line is that so many say they won't cross. Ruby Ridge was just a first, then came Waco. When the BATF is killing your family, will their be any help coming, or will we all watch the 6 o'clock news and say "They must have been some of them "gun nuts". As radical as Idaho is in some places, they just carried signs outside the perimeter while a mans family was slaughtered.

"...I do know that many here seem to think they won't give up their guns, but I know England, New Zealand, and Australia seem to hand theirs over quite easily. I don't know where that invisible line is that so many say they won't cross. Ruby Ridge was just a first, then came Waco. When the BATF is killing your family, will their be any help coming, or will we all watch the 6 o'clock news and say "They must have been some of them "gun nuts". As radical as Idaho is in some places, they just carried signs outside the perimeter while a mans family was slaughtered. "

Good Points.