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With Rates Near Zero, What Will Fed Do Next? (Buying long term treasuries=printing money)
cnbc/reuters ^ | 1/25/09

Posted on 01/26/2009 7:09:49 PM PST by sickoflibs

The Federal Reserve is struggling to explain its plans for pulling the U.S. economy out of recession as it resorts to unorthodox policy tools while official interest rates are set near zero.

Since a rate-setting meeting in December, several U.S. central bank officials have tried to lay out what the Fed can do now that it has run out of conventional ammunition to support economic growth.

Usually, the Fed can focus its policy message around its interest rate target, but with federal funds already close to zero that capability has disappeared with no clearly discernible substitute on the horizon.

"It is very difficult to communicate the nature and effects of unconventional balance sheet actions," Glenn Rudebusch, associate director of research at the San Francisco Federal Reserve Bank said in a report earlier this month.

Rudebusch suggested the Fed needs to explain what it hopes to achieve with its various new programs to ease conditions in specific credit markets.

The Fed's next chance will come on Wednesday, when its policy-making Federal Open Market Committee issues a statement following two days of deliberations. It will be the FOMC's first meeting since it cut the overnight federal funds rate to a range of zero to 0.25 percent in mid-December.

Some Fed watchers expect a commitment to buying long-term Treasuries, word on an expansion of the efforts to buy securities in other asset classes, or even setting of an explicit inflation target as as a way to tackle worries about deflation.

Still, the reactive nature of many of the Fed's moves since 2007, with programs seemingly created on the fly as fresh crises erupted, has made crafting a clear policy message more difficult, and also devalued the currency of the FOMC statement.

"The Fed has been making up plays at the line of scrimmage, rather than taking them from a playbook," said Brian Fabbri, economist at BNP Paribas in New York. "Thus the relevance and drama of the FOMC meetings—where the markets would anticipate and react to each change in the Fed's target rate—has been reduced."

Helicopter Days

The Fed is now providing huge amounts of liquidity and credit to various segments of the private sector, massively expanding the size of its balance sheet in what Chairman Ben Bernanke terms "credit easing" policy.

It has attempted to distance itself from Japanese-style "quantitative easing," when the Bank of Japan in the early 1990s set an explicit numerical target for reserves, and expanded reserves accordingly.

"The Japanese experience suggests that simply expanding bank reserves—even by a very large amount—had little effect on bank lending or on the economy more broadly," Janet Yellen, San Francisco Fed President and an FOMC voter this year, said on Jan 15.

Still, the Fed risks a communications gap because its "alphabet soup" of programs can not be be distilled into a simple message on its policy bias—easier, tighter, or no change—or easily measured for signs of success.

Chicago Fed President Charles Evans has defined the Fed's current actions as a proxy for doing the impossible, or setting the fed funds rate at a negative level.

"The trick, no doubt, would be to print exactly the right amount of money to fix today's economic problems without generating another disaster via hyper-inflation," said Rory Robertson, interest rate strategist at Macquarie Bank in Sydney.

But fine-tuning policy around a theoretical negative funds rate is tough, as then-Fed governor Bernanke acknowledged in a now-famous 2002 speech on deflation.

"Alternative policy tools ... may raise practical problems of implementation and of calibration of their likely economic effects," Bernanke said.

Bets in the derivatives markets suggest the Fed could start lifting interest rates as soon as September. Many forecasters look for a much longer spell of near-zero rates, given their gloomy economic outlook.

Jan Hatzius, economist at Goldman Sachs, said that by the end of 2010 conventional monetary policy drivers such as the Taylor Rule, which suggests appropriate adjustments to interest rates based on factors such as inflation and the jobless rate, would imply a fed funds rate of negative 6 percent.

"Our forecast of a 9.5 percent unemployment rate by late 2010 implies the largest amount of slack of the postwar period," Hatzius said. "Fed (and Treasury) officials will need to expand their efforts to stimulate demand dramatically further."


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Extended News; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: economy; recession; schifflist
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To: Toddsterpatriot
They already have bought corporate bonds & through swaps already are have CDOs on their books which indirectly is buying real estate--how do you think their balance sheet ballooned from 500 billion to $2.4 trillion in less than 6 months? They already are buying FRE/FNM bonds by the billions which is like indirectly buying real estate. The FFR is effectively zero. The only thing left is to buy the long bond.
61 posted on 01/27/2009 3:10:37 PM PST by rb22982
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To: sickoflibs

The Asians investors = the government and they won’t sell the long bond as it would send their own currencies soaring and the value of the current bonds would become near worthless. China & Japan are already talking about figuring out a way to devalue..selling UST is not how you accomplish that.


62 posted on 01/27/2009 3:11:55 PM PST by rb22982
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To: April Lexington
No. I majored in Ballet!

That's what I figured.

Tell me how the Fed prints money without treasury input?

They call up a Primary Dealer and buy some securities. Glad I could help. LOL!

63 posted on 01/27/2009 3:19:37 PM PST by Toddsterpatriot (Havoc has been back since September. Or was it April?)
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To: Travis McGee
Sure TP, the Fed just goes to their Magic Bottomless Piggie Bank and pulls out a few trillion more dollars.

Why would they need a piggy bank?

But it's not from thin air! Really!

Yes it is! Really!

Why don't you tell us how well that process is working out

Which process?

and what the next steps will be?

As soon as you explain how a Fed purchase saddles our children with more debt.

64 posted on 01/27/2009 3:22:57 PM PST by Toddsterpatriot (Havoc has been back since September. Or was it April?)
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To: rb22982
They already have bought corporate bonds

All of them?

& through swaps already are have CDOs on their books

All of them?

They already are buying FRE/FNM bonds by the billions

How many more are still outstanding?

The only thing left is to buy the long bond.

LOL!

65 posted on 01/27/2009 3:24:50 PM PST by Toddsterpatriot (Havoc has been back since September. Or was it April?)
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To: Toddsterpatriot
If you won't acknowledge that we're saddling future generations with more debt, then it's not use having a discussion with you.

It's like finding Capt. Smith locked in his stateroom, wearing a Hawaiian shirt with a gin and tonic in his hand, saying they are ahead of schedule for reaching Honolulu.

An hour after the Titanic hit the iceberg in the North Atlantic.

66 posted on 01/27/2009 3:28:15 PM PST by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Travis McGee
If you won't acknowledge that we're saddling future generations with more debt,

If you don't understand the difference between actions which saddle us with debt (Treasury borrowing trillions to waste on pork projects) and actions which don't (the Fed creating new money to buy securities), you're too dumb to have a discussion with.

67 posted on 01/27/2009 3:34:00 PM PST by Toddsterpatriot (Havoc has been back since September. Or was it April?)
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To: Toddsterpatriot
The fed doesn't have an infinite amount of money and the banks & GSEs are clamoring for more & more money. The states are just starting to ask for money. How big do you think their balance sheet can get to without risking implosion themselves (and the rest of the financial system & possibly the US gov't)? At the rate they are going, it will have ballooned from $500 billion to $6 trillion in about a year with very little underlying that. I've read reports that the fed is basically already a hedge fund leveraged up themselves 40-50:1. This guy tells it a lot better than I do.
68 posted on 01/27/2009 3:34:50 PM PST by rb22982
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To: rb22982
The fed doesn't have an infinite amount of money

Why not?

and the banks & GSEs are clamoring for more & more money.

I wonder if the Fed bought securities from the banks and GSEs if that would give the banks and GSEs more money?

I've read reports that the fed is basically already a hedge fund leveraged up themselves 40-50:1.

Who did the Fed borrow money from?

69 posted on 01/27/2009 3:40:24 PM PST by Toddsterpatriot (Havoc has been back since September. Or was it April?)
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To: Toddsterpatriot
Preach it Capt. Smith! The Titanic isn't sinking, actually, it's ahead of schedule for Honolulu!

Have another drink, and take another nap!

70 posted on 01/27/2009 3:47:03 PM PST by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Travis McGee
When you get a chance, explain how a Fed purchase puts our children in debt.

Maybe after (if) you sober up. LOL!

71 posted on 01/27/2009 3:51:07 PM PST by Toddsterpatriot (Havoc has been back since September. Or was it April?)
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To: Toddsterpatriot
Weak mind, Einstein. And what, pray tell, do they use to buy these securities? LOL back. How much did you lose with Schiff?
72 posted on 01/27/2009 4:06:37 PM PST by April Lexington (Study the constitution so you know what they are taking away!)
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To: April Lexington
And what, pray tell, do they use to buy these securities?

Dollars. Don't you know anything about the Federal Reserve?

How much did you lose with Schiff?

I've been laughing at Schiff for years.

73 posted on 01/27/2009 4:08:55 PM PST by Toddsterpatriot (Havoc has been back since September. Or was it April?)
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To: Travis McGee
I like a lot about Schiff, and he’s more right than wrong, but I’m growing sick about his cult of personality, and his apostles who pretend he’s the 2nd coming and infallible.

I agree. Too much of this hero worship when stocks are up and bad mouthing when stocks are down. I never trust much money to any of these wizard's. If I can't manage it, I shouldn't have it and the market proves me right once in a while!

74 posted on 01/27/2009 4:09:05 PM PST by April Lexington (Study the constitution so you know what they are taking away!)
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To: Toddsterpatriot
Dollars. Don't you know anything about the Federal Reserve?

And where do they get the dollars??? Seems a bit circular, friend.

75 posted on 01/27/2009 4:10:17 PM PST by April Lexington (Study the constitution so you know what they are taking away!)
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To: April Lexington
And where do they get the dollars???

Do you know how Fed wire transfers work?

76 posted on 01/27/2009 4:11:59 PM PST by Toddsterpatriot (Havoc has been back since September. Or was it April?)
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To: April Lexington

I’m glad we agree. I read both Mish and Schiff, and they are both more right than wrong. The deflation/inflation equation remains to be tested by time. For sure, the permabull touts are fools. Some of the same idiots who two years ago were saying on FR that real estate could not fail, and debt is no problem. Some of them are still peddling this line right here, making fools of themselves for the world to see.


77 posted on 01/27/2009 4:15:02 PM PST by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: April Lexington
TP talks in circles about the origins of thin air money, and how it doesn't matter. Just like how this graph doesn't matter, and we're not really saddling future generations with debt.

It's Custer Last Stand for the Keynesians, and they are still shouting through the arrows that they are winning.


78 posted on 01/27/2009 4:17:24 PM PST by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Travis McGee

And Brave Sir Robin runs away....

79 posted on 01/27/2009 4:23:16 PM PST by Toddsterpatriot (Havoc has been back since September. Or was it April?)
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To: Toddsterpatriot; Eaker; AK2KX; Ancesthntr; ApesForEvolution; aragorn; archy; backhoe; Badray; ...

Go F yourself, you jerk. You are a laughingstock here, with your “Debt? What debt? Who cares?” perpetual Keynesian outlook.


80 posted on 01/27/2009 6:31:03 PM PST by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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