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With Rates Near Zero, What Will Fed Do Next? (Buying long term treasuries=printing money)
cnbc/reuters ^ | 1/25/09

Posted on 01/26/2009 7:09:49 PM PST by sickoflibs

The Federal Reserve is struggling to explain its plans for pulling the U.S. economy out of recession as it resorts to unorthodox policy tools while official interest rates are set near zero.

Since a rate-setting meeting in December, several U.S. central bank officials have tried to lay out what the Fed can do now that it has run out of conventional ammunition to support economic growth.

Usually, the Fed can focus its policy message around its interest rate target, but with federal funds already close to zero that capability has disappeared with no clearly discernible substitute on the horizon.

"It is very difficult to communicate the nature and effects of unconventional balance sheet actions," Glenn Rudebusch, associate director of research at the San Francisco Federal Reserve Bank said in a report earlier this month.

Rudebusch suggested the Fed needs to explain what it hopes to achieve with its various new programs to ease conditions in specific credit markets.

The Fed's next chance will come on Wednesday, when its policy-making Federal Open Market Committee issues a statement following two days of deliberations. It will be the FOMC's first meeting since it cut the overnight federal funds rate to a range of zero to 0.25 percent in mid-December.

Some Fed watchers expect a commitment to buying long-term Treasuries, word on an expansion of the efforts to buy securities in other asset classes, or even setting of an explicit inflation target as as a way to tackle worries about deflation.

Still, the reactive nature of many of the Fed's moves since 2007, with programs seemingly created on the fly as fresh crises erupted, has made crafting a clear policy message more difficult, and also devalued the currency of the FOMC statement.

"The Fed has been making up plays at the line of scrimmage, rather than taking them from a playbook," said Brian Fabbri, economist at BNP Paribas in New York. "Thus the relevance and drama of the FOMC meetings—where the markets would anticipate and react to each change in the Fed's target rate—has been reduced."

Helicopter Days

The Fed is now providing huge amounts of liquidity and credit to various segments of the private sector, massively expanding the size of its balance sheet in what Chairman Ben Bernanke terms "credit easing" policy.

It has attempted to distance itself from Japanese-style "quantitative easing," when the Bank of Japan in the early 1990s set an explicit numerical target for reserves, and expanded reserves accordingly.

"The Japanese experience suggests that simply expanding bank reserves—even by a very large amount—had little effect on bank lending or on the economy more broadly," Janet Yellen, San Francisco Fed President and an FOMC voter this year, said on Jan 15.

Still, the Fed risks a communications gap because its "alphabet soup" of programs can not be be distilled into a simple message on its policy bias—easier, tighter, or no change—or easily measured for signs of success.

Chicago Fed President Charles Evans has defined the Fed's current actions as a proxy for doing the impossible, or setting the fed funds rate at a negative level.

"The trick, no doubt, would be to print exactly the right amount of money to fix today's economic problems without generating another disaster via hyper-inflation," said Rory Robertson, interest rate strategist at Macquarie Bank in Sydney.

But fine-tuning policy around a theoretical negative funds rate is tough, as then-Fed governor Bernanke acknowledged in a now-famous 2002 speech on deflation.

"Alternative policy tools ... may raise practical problems of implementation and of calibration of their likely economic effects," Bernanke said.

Bets in the derivatives markets suggest the Fed could start lifting interest rates as soon as September. Many forecasters look for a much longer spell of near-zero rates, given their gloomy economic outlook.

Jan Hatzius, economist at Goldman Sachs, said that by the end of 2010 conventional monetary policy drivers such as the Taylor Rule, which suggests appropriate adjustments to interest rates based on factors such as inflation and the jobless rate, would imply a fed funds rate of negative 6 percent.

"Our forecast of a 9.5 percent unemployment rate by late 2010 implies the largest amount of slack of the postwar period," Hatzius said. "Fed (and Treasury) officials will need to expand their efforts to stimulate demand dramatically further."


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Extended News; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: economy; recession; schifflist
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To: Lurker
MY GOD MAN! That's IT? Really?

Yes. How did you think they did it?

I really want to know. Take your time.

121 posted on 01/27/2009 8:30:56 PM PST by Toddsterpatriot (Havoc has been back since September. Or was it April?)
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To: Toddsterpatriot
What did the Treasury create when the Fed bought all that commercial paper

Worthless paper. Next question.

How much interest does the Fed owe every year on those FRNs?

None.

What do I win?

122 posted on 01/27/2009 8:31:56 PM PST by Lurker ("America is at that awkward stage. " Claire Wolfe, call your office.)
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To: rb22982
What did the Treasury create when the Fed bought all that commercial paper

Effectively Federal Reserve Notes.

Effectively? They didn't buy the commercial paper with stacks of $100s. Sorry.

My point was that the Fed just can't create money--it must do so with the Treasury.

Your point is wrong.

How much interest does the Fed owe every year on those FRNs?

Theoretically nothing

Theoretically? LOL!

until people come into to demand physical currency for their electronic or deposited currency and the Fed can't give them any.

The Fed could, given enough time, so what? The Fed pays 0% on FRNs.

123 posted on 01/27/2009 8:33:30 PM PST by Toddsterpatriot (Havoc has been back since September. Or was it April?)
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To: Toddsterpatriot
Yes. How did you think they did it?

It's very simple really. They lie.

And idiots like you buy their lies.

Is that about right, Pookie?

L

124 posted on 01/27/2009 8:34:58 PM PST by Lurker ("America is at that awkward stage. " Claire Wolfe, call your office.)
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To: Lurker
Ask yourself this question. How did the Fed expand it's balance sheet from $1 Trillion to over $2 Trillion in Two Months????????????????
The Federal Reserve literally creates Fiat Money, money back by nothing ,out of thin air on a computer. That is the printing press they are using.
Now The Fed wants to start buying Long Term Treasuries to try and control the Price to keep interest rates low.
This cannot and will not work.
The Fed cannot become the end all to prop up that which it can't namely the Banks and Insurance companies that have too much bad debt on their books. Sooner rather than later the whole thing implodes.
125 posted on 01/27/2009 8:35:05 PM PST by Captain Peter Blood
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To: Lurker
It's very simple really. They lie.

What does the Federal Reserve lie about when they create new money?

126 posted on 01/27/2009 8:36:52 PM PST by Toddsterpatriot (Havoc has been back since September. Or was it April?)
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To: Lurker
When you write a check to pay your phone bill, how do you think the money leaves your account and gets into the phone company account?

If a bank in New York wires money to a bank in California, how do you think the money changes hands?

127 posted on 01/27/2009 8:38:34 PM PST by Toddsterpatriot (Havoc has been back since September. Or was it April?)
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To: Toddsterpatriot
Effectively? They didn't buy the commercial paper with stacks of $100s. Sorry

The majority of it came from deposits at the FR which have soared in the last year, some was printing (which would still probably be stored at the Fed) and sent eletronically, and yes they could have just made an entry electronically (which is callable for physical currency and dangerous)

The Fed could, given enough time, so what? The Fed pays 0% on FRNs

US government would collapse long before they'd be given time. Even the Fed isn't immune from a bank run. A hell of a lot safer than the member banks but the more bad assets they take on the more they risk. You are obviously long the market still and think the Fed is going to make everything OK despite the fact that nothing they have done has made the situation better. Good luck & good night.

128 posted on 01/27/2009 8:39:36 PM PST by rb22982
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To: Captain Peter Blood
The Federal Reserve literally creates Fiat Money, money back by nothing ,out of thin air on a computer.

He can't handle the truth. Plus, he's not too bright.

129 posted on 01/27/2009 8:39:41 PM PST by Toddsterpatriot (Havoc has been back since September. Or was it April?)
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To: sickoflibs

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130 posted on 01/27/2009 8:39:43 PM PST by Sam Cree (absolute reality)
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To: rb22982
and yes they could have just made an entry electronically

Quick, tell Lunkhead.

131 posted on 01/27/2009 8:40:44 PM PST by Toddsterpatriot (Havoc has been back since September. Or was it April?)
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To: Toddsterpatriot

How do Fed wire transfers work?

You put money in at one end, it comes out the other.

That’s like responding to a question of “Where does food come from?” by asking “Do you understand trucks?”.

Where does the money come from to “put in at one end”?

Considering the nonsensical answers you’re cranking out here, you must have an MBA.


132 posted on 01/27/2009 8:41:06 PM PST by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: Captain Peter Blood; Toddsterpatriot
How did the Fed expand it's balance sheet from $1 Trillion to over $2 Trillion in Two Months????????????????

We let them. That's how.

The Federal Reserve literally creates Fiat Money, money back by nothing ,out of thin air on a computer.

Yep. See our philosophically impaired friend Toddsterpatriot's posts for confirmation.

That is the printing press they are using.

Actually printing money is soo.....old fashioned. Now they do it with an Excel Spreadsheet. Thanks to our friend Toadster.

Now The Fed wants to start buying Long Term Treasuries to try and control the Price to keep interest rates low.

That's the game. Heads they win, tails we lose.

This cannot and will not work. M

Of course it can't Only an idiot (yes, I mean you Todd) would believe it could.

Sooner rather than later the whole thing implodes.

On our side there's us, Von Mises, Friedman, and Hayek. On SpasterPatriots side there's.....well there's him.

Bless his heart...

L

133 posted on 01/27/2009 8:41:24 PM PST by Lurker ("America is at that awkward stage. " Claire Wolfe, call your office.)
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To: DuncanWaring
So you don't know either? You must be friends with Lunky.

Considering the nonsensical answers you’re cranking out here,

Why don't you tell Lunkhead how the Fed creates money?

134 posted on 01/27/2009 8:43:43 PM PST by Toddsterpatriot (Havoc has been back since September. Or was it April?)
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To: Lurker; Travis McGee; Toddsterpatriot

This guy sounds like the economic equivalent of the late unlamented “Robert Paulsen”.


135 posted on 01/27/2009 8:44:06 PM PST by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: Lurker
Glad you recognized I was correct.

That's two clowns I helped today.

136 posted on 01/27/2009 8:45:17 PM PST by Toddsterpatriot (Havoc has been back since September. Or was it April?)
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To: Toddsterpatriot

How the fed creates money? They just type numbers into a computer screen and -Poof- there it is.

Not that that’s a good thing.


137 posted on 01/27/2009 8:45:29 PM PST by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: DuncanWaring; Lurker
How the fed creates money? They just type numbers into a computer screen and -Poof- there it is.

Poor Lunky still doesn't understand. Still takes the short bus to school.

138 posted on 01/27/2009 8:47:05 PM PST by Toddsterpatriot (Havoc has been back since September. Or was it April?)
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To: Toddsterpatriot

When I write a check to pay my phone bill, the money has to be there in the account to cover it.

I can’t just type “$825,000,000” into Quicken and expect to have checks written on that money honored.


139 posted on 01/27/2009 8:54:20 PM PST by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: DuncanWaring
When I write a check to pay my phone bill, the money has to be there in the account to cover it.

I agree. How does the money get to the phone company?

140 posted on 01/27/2009 8:55:20 PM PST by Toddsterpatriot (Havoc has been back since September. Or was it April?)
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