Man uses 'Final Exit' as suicide guide

UPI ^ | 1/24/09 | UPI

[wagglebee]

"The idea that someone is helping someone end their life seems to be against human nature. You should help someone end their agony, rather than end their life."

Exactly, pain from diabetes CAN be treated.

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[NavVet]

His last words, “Yes Dear, I increased the life insurance as you requested, what’s that DVD you’re holding.”

[HangnJudge]

At least he did'nt ask someone else to do his dirty work

Physician Assisted Suicide is an Abomination

Διαιτήμασί τε χρήσομαι ἐπ' ὠφελείῃ καμνόντων κατὰ δύναμιν καὶ κρίσιν ἐμὴν, ἐπὶ δηλήσει δὲ καὶ ἀδικίῃ εἴρξειν. Οὐ δώσω δὲ οὐδὲ φάρμακον οὐδενὶ αἰτηθεὶς θανάσιμον, οὐδὲ ὑφηγήσομαι ξυμβουλίην τοιήνδε. Ὁμοίως δὲ οὐδὲ γυναικὶ πεσσὸν φθόριον δώσω. Ἁγνῶς δὲ καὶ ὁσίως διατηρήσω βίον τὸν ἐμὸν καὶ τέχνην τὴν ἐμήν. Οὐ τεμέω δὲ οὐδὲ μὴν λιθιῶντας, ἐκχωρήσω δὲ ἐργάτῃσιν ἀνδράσι πρήξιος τῆσδε.

Or in English...

I will prescribe regimens for the good of my patients according to my ability and my judgment
and never do harm to anyone.
I will not give a lethal drug to anyone if I am asked,
nor will I advise such a plan;
and similarly I will not give a woman a pessary to cause an abortion.
But I will preserve the purity of my life and my arts

[ColdWater]

His last words, “Yes Dear, I increased the life insurance as you requested, what’s that DVD you’re holding.”

I am sure his wife suffers greatly. Why make fun of a bad situation.

[mamelukesabre]

Suicides don’t get paid.

[The Great RJ]

In my days as a paramedic there was nothing worse than to be called to an attempted suicide when the procedure went wrong and the person did not die but was left in worse condition. Often the advice in these books does not include information on what can go wrong. Imagine botching your suicide and then ending up on a respirator in a persistent vegetative state or with complete renal failure and on dialysis. Even a shotgun blast to the head may not be immediately fatal ..knew some paramedics who had such a case.

[dbz77]

I will not give a lethal drug to anyone if I am asked,

The problem with this clause is that almost all drugs are lethal given sufficient doses.

[arderkrag]

Man uses 'Final Exit' as suicide guide

Not surprising, considering that the book is intended as exactly that:

From the Amazon description:

Product Description Just published for 2002-3 is the revised, 3rd edition of the bestseller "Final Exit". It described they ways in which a dying person may consider hastening the end of their life if suffering is unbearable. Laws and ethics are outlined in a straightforward fashion. Drug dosage tables and the latest inert gas technique of 'self-deliverance' are explained, with illustrations.

[wagglebee]

The problem with this clause is that almost all drugs are lethal given sufficient doses.

I see it didn't take you long to find this thread.

Are you here to explain to us how a sane person can somehow make a rational decision to kill themselves and how this is "heroic" because they will save money for their families and that this is on par with a serviceman throwing himself on a grenade to save his fellow servicemen?

[ColdWater]

Are you here to explain to us how a sane person can somehow make a rational decision to kill themselves

I watched my father dye a little day by day. I respected his decision to end his life my his on will rather than suffer on with his painful, terminal condition. Obviously, you haven't been there so no amount of words could ever explain to you the agony involved. I am glad that you were not there to force my father through more weeks of pain.

[wagglebee]

First of all, you have my deepest sympathy for the loss of your father.

However, I think it extremely obtuse of you to conclude that I have not had to watch someone I loved die from a painful disease. Nearly all of us have gone through that and will again in the future. However, modern palliative care has advanced to the point that almost all pain can be managed.

Suicide IS NOT the solution to ANYTHING.

[I see my hands]

To: Dale Chell

"This book promises them relief. But in a way, it's giving people permission to kill themselves"

"The idea that someone is helping someone end their life seems to be against human nature. You should help someone end their agony, rather than end their life"

Apparently it will come as a surprise to you that people don't require permission to manage their own lives.

That's a very sweet personal view. Do you respect other's perspectives? Can you understand you may not understand what suicide pain is? A little less sanctimony please.

[ColdWater]

Suicide IS NOT the solution to ANYTHING.

It was for my father. Sure, modern science could keep him alive as a suffering vegetable but that was not the life he wanted. His life, his right. Not your call.

[Canedawg]

“Suicide IS NOT the solution to ANYTHING.”
* * * *

Can you expound on that, please?

(I’m not adverse to what you are saying- i just want to hear your argument supporting that.)

[wagglebee]

There is NOTHING to expound upon, it is morally wrong and medically unnecessary.

[Michael Barnes]

I knew a guy years back that tried suicide with a shotgun. At the last moment, he flinched and ended up blowing his jaw off along with some lower pieces of his skull...He survived that attempt. I don’t know what happened to him after that...

[wagglebee]

Sure, modern science could keep him alive as a suffering vegetable but that was not the life he wanted.

Are you saying that palliative medicine could not relieve the pain? If that is the case they were doing it wrong. And why are you referring to him as a "vegetable"? I thought you said he was in pain, people in vegetative states do not feel pain.

His life, his right. Not your call.

I never said it wasn't his right, I simply said it was wrong.

[therut]

That is not true. On of the physicians I work with committed suicide. Life insurance paid. Only had to have policy for 2 years prior.