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The Talented Mr. Madoff (talented psychopath like Ted Bundy)
NYT ^ | 01/24/09 | JULIE CRESWELL and LANDON THOMAS Jr.

Posted on 01/25/2009 2:51:35 AM PST by TigerLikesRooster

The Talented Mr. Madoff

By JULIE CRESWELL and LANDON THOMAS Jr.

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An easy answer is that Mr. Madoff was a charlatan of epic proportions, a greedy manipulator so hungry to accumulate wealth that he did not care whom he hurt to get what he wanted.

But some analysts say that a more complex and layered observation of his actions involves linking the world of white-collar finance to the world of serial criminals.

They wonder whether good old Bernie Madoff might have stolen simply for the fun of it, exploiting every relationship in his life for decades while studiously manipulating financial regulators.

“Some of the characteristics you see in psychopaths are lying, manipulation, the ability to deceive, feelings of grandiosity and callousness toward their victims,” says Gregg O. McCrary, a former special agent with the F.B.I. who spent years constructing criminal behavioral profiles.

Mr. McCrary cautions that he has never met Mr. Madoff, so he can’t make a diagnosis, but he says Mr. Madoff appears to share many of the destructive traits typically seen in a psychopath. That is why, he says, so many who came into contact with Mr. Madoff have been left reeling and in confusion about his motives.

“People like him become sort of like chameleons. They are very good at impression management,” Mr. McCrary says. “They manage the impression you receive of them. They know what people want, and they give it to them.”

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: disorders; madoff; narcissism; psychology; psychopath; tedbundy
The desciption above also applies to current top management of major banks, Slick and Hildebeast, and probably Obama. Madoff is not an exception to the norm, but is a typical sample of current financial and political elites.
1 posted on 01/25/2009 2:51:36 AM PST by TigerLikesRooster
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To: TigerLikesRooster; PAR35; bamahead; AndyJackson; Thane_Banquo; nicksaunt; MadLibDisease; ...

Ping!


2 posted on 01/25/2009 2:51:58 AM PST by TigerLikesRooster (kim jong-il, chia head, ppogri, In Grim Reaper we trust)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

If you replace Bernie’s name with Obama in this article, is this who we will find out we elected as President in a few years?

I don’t thing BaCrack is exactly like Bernie but there are some similarities.


3 posted on 01/25/2009 3:01:01 AM PST by MAD-AS-HELL (How does one win over terrorists? KILL them with UNKINDNESS)
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To: Liz

Ping


4 posted on 01/25/2009 3:51:28 AM PST by DieHard the Hunter (Is mise an ceann-cinnidh. Cha ghéill mi do dhuine. Fàg am bealach.)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

> The desciption above also applies to current top management of major banks, Slick and Hildebeast, and probably Obama. Madoff is not an exception to the norm, but is a typical sample of current financial and political elites.

As well as many senior management in most companies, many people at partner-level in most law an accounting offices, many top civil servants, many performing artists, some in the medical profession, many people in Law Enforcement...

There are alot of psychopaths out there. For real. Only a few of them go on to commit serious crimes.

The galling thing is that the rewards systems are usually tuned to encourage their antisocial destructive behaviors


5 posted on 01/25/2009 3:57:26 AM PST by DieHard the Hunter (Is mise an ceann-cinnidh. Cha ghéill mi do dhuine. Fàg am bealach.)
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To: DieHard the Hunter
The current reward system is geared in favor of those who can skillfully manipulate people's perception. Make them feel good, stab them from behind, and blame somebody else. This includes a lot of obfuscation and sophistry to cloud the issue and get away with crooked deals.

Legal and financial profession all churn out complicated mechanisms which make public bewildered but they can wrap it with feel-good sound bites while they exploit it to the max to line their pocket.

6 posted on 01/25/2009 4:06:57 AM PST by TigerLikesRooster (kim jong-il, chia head, ppogri, In Grim Reaper we trust)
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To: DieHard the Hunter

The psychopath is the individual with a broken moral compass; no sense of right or wrong only what is expedient. Pretty much a definition of liberalism; no right or wrong, just do whatever you want without consequence.


7 posted on 01/25/2009 4:10:49 AM PST by 6SJ7 (Atlas Shrugged Mode: ON)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

“People like him become sort of like chameleons. They are very good at impression management,” Mr. McCrary says. “They manage the impression you receive of them. They know what people want, and they give it to them.”

Behold the king.


8 posted on 01/25/2009 5:29:10 AM PST by Lonesome in Massachussets (The death cult wants death, the Israelis want peace. I, for one, see only one solution.)
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To: TigerLikesRooster
My brother used to worked a programmer on Wall Street (actually for financial services companies in New York.) One of their “products” was financial management for big investors, like union pension funds. He said the distinguishing feature of the salesmen was the ability to exude confidence out of every pore on their body. They sweated confidence. No wonder they are called conmen.
9 posted on 01/25/2009 5:33:12 AM PST by Lonesome in Massachussets (The death cult wants death, the Israelis want peace. I, for one, see only one solution.)
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To: 6SJ7
The psychopath is the individual with a broken moral compass

A psychopath never had the compass installed.

10 posted on 01/25/2009 6:40:54 AM PST by glorgau
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To: DieHard the Hunter; Condor51
"Talented psychopaths" like Ted Bundy are typical of current financial and political elites.........also applies to Slick and Hildebeast, Obama (and people on his staff like his COS Rahm Emanuel).........and senior management in most law and accounting offices, top civil servants, and many in Law Enforcement...There are a lot of psychopaths out there.

Shows how a constitutional democracy gets finished off. These types clearly depend on the “freedoms” of our fragile democracy to pull off crooked schemes.

All of these people kneel in obeisance to the three-headed monster: “Political Correctness, “Moral Relativity” and the "Hyphenate Entitlement."

Madoff scared off anyone who dared suggest he was a crook by playing the all-occasion Hyphenate Entitlement card. Madoff knew “tolerant and compassionate” political correctness protected him and his Hyphenate Entitlement———with laws, and federal giveaways, in return for campaign cash and hyphenated voting blocs.

From public schools to the Halls of Congress, on down to the White House, and over to the USSC, "Animal Farm" is now the law of the land. Some Animals Are Above The Rest. Scientific methodology is the means and methods for the fittest among us to survive......ask Bernie....he knows how that works.

Also explains the obsession with religious cleansing of America, and its politics, by those "uncomfortable" with the religious precepts most Americans live by.

We face an uncharted future, thanks to malevolent, unchecked, unbridled greed and avarice......and we even get to clean up the figging messes (gag).

What is clear is that these malicious individuals and their life of lies, lack the distinctive American character that strengthens the business of democracy.

11 posted on 01/25/2009 7:33:36 AM PST by Liz (The right to be left alone is the beginning of freedom. USSC Justice William O. Douglas)
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To: Liz

> What is clear is that these malicious individuals and their life of lies, lack the distinctive American character that strengthens the business of democracy.

Amen — well said!


12 posted on 01/25/2009 7:47:19 AM PST by DieHard the Hunter (Is mise an ceann-cinnidh. Cha ghéill mi do dhuine. Fàg am bealach.)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

Who cares why he did it. He deserves to spend the next 50 years in jail.


13 posted on 01/25/2009 9:57:38 AM PST by yazoo
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To: TigerLikesRooster
The desciption above also applies to current top management of major banks

American corporate structures promote psychopaths. If you had all of them take a PCL-R test, I would guess that mid-level psychopathy would be scored in about 85 - 90% of the cases.

Since they are destructive, they end up damaging the companies. But, since they have no "conscience", only a malignant narcissicism, they simply don't care, blame it on others, and typically move on.

14 posted on 01/25/2009 10:08:29 AM PST by Regulator (Welcome to Zimbabwe! The looting begins in five minutes...)
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To: Liz
*** Madoff scared off anyone who dared suggest he was a crook by playing the all-occasion Hyphenate Entitlement card. Madoff knew “tolerant and compassionate” political correctness protected him and his Hyphenate Entitlement— ***

Be Careful. (/s)

Abe Foxman and Morris Dees are on the lookout for anyone who dares criticize the greedy Madoff or his greedy clients. And I mean 'clients'. They are the furthest thing from being "victims". They wanted those unrealistic returns and didn't care how or where it came from.

An aside: By Federal Law they (the early 'investors') should be prosecuted too. They perpetuated and profited by Madoff's scam!

15 posted on 01/25/2009 10:12:35 AM PST by Condor51 (The difference between stupidity and genius is that genius has its limits)
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To: Condor51
Abe Foxman and Morris Dees are on the lookout for anyone who dares criticize the greedy Madoff or his greedy clients.

Foxman and Dees? You mean the two criminals about to be indicted for obstructing and delaying US justice....who used "scare tactics" to wave off investigations.

16 posted on 01/25/2009 10:48:41 AM PST by Liz (The right to be left alone is the beginning of freedom. USSC Justice William O. Douglas)
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To: Condor51
Abe Foxman and Morris Dees are on the lookout for anyone who dares criticize the greedy Madoff or his greedy clients.

Foxman and Dees? You mean two criminals about to be indicted for obstructing and delaying US justice....who used "scare tactics" to wave off investigations that allowed a criminal enterprise to prosper.

17 posted on 01/25/2009 10:50:36 AM PST by Liz (The right to be left alone is the beginning of freedom. USSC Justice William O. Douglas)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

"I'm Bernie. Trust me. Wanna buy a few shares?

“I’m Ted. Trust me. Wanna go for a ride in my car?”

18 posted on 01/25/2009 11:02:45 AM PST by Liz (The right to be left alone is the beginning of freedom. USSC Justice William O. Douglas)
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