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Hatred of slavery drove Darwin ideas, book says
reuters ^ | Fri Jan 23, 2009 | Mike Collett-White

Posted on 01/24/2009 7:53:37 PM PST by Inappropriate Laughter

LONDON, Jan 23 (Reuters) - A new book on Charles Darwin says a passionate hatred of slavery was fundamental to his theory of evolution, which challenged the assumption held by many at the time that blacks and whites were separate species.

"Darwin's Sacred Cause" is among the first of dozens of works about the 19th century scientist to appear in 2009, the bicentenary of his birth and 150th anniversary of the publication of his groundbreaking "On the Origin of Species".

Its authors, Adrian Desmond and James Moore, also expect it to be one of the most controversial, because it explores what they call Darwin's humanitarianism and challenges the notion that his conclusions were the result of pure scientific pursuit. "There's got to be reasons why he came to common descent images of evolution when there was no precedent for that in the zoological science of his day," Desmond told Reuters. "It comes out of anti-slavery.

"No one doubts that the Galapagos Islands, mockingbirds, the giant ground sloths and the giant tortoises were absolutely fundamental to his views and what he was interested in.

"But you have to look at some sort of marshalling principle. Every ship carried more than one naturalist generally in those days -- why did none of them come to this kind of common descent view and yet most of them had seen exactly the same evidence?"

Moore said the book did not seek to reduce the argument to "I'm against slavery therefore I'm an evolutionist", adding:

"This is not a reductionist argument. We are making the case that it was necessary for Darwin to believe in 'brotherhood science' in order to see common descent. We can't figure out where else he got it from."

(Excerpt) Read more at uk.reuters.com ...


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1 posted on 01/24/2009 7:53:43 PM PST by Inappropriate Laughter
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To: Inappropriate Laughter
We are making the case that it was necessary for Darwin to believe in 'brotherhood science' in order to see common descent.

The default position that most people believed at the time was that the Bible's account was true.

Darwin's position left open the possibility that humans are different species or sub-species, with some more primitive than others. According to the Bible, we're all one family.

2 posted on 01/24/2009 8:00:32 PM PST by Sherman Logan (Everyone has a right to his own opinion, but not to his own facts.)
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To: Inappropriate Laughter

Sounds to me like revisionist history. Slavery has been nearly universal, in every time and place, with the exception of Europe under Christianity, where it gradually faded away, only to be revived when Western explorers encountered the Arab and African slavers. Even then, slavery was not permitted in Europe but was used abroad.

Early modern slavery differed from the ancient world precisely because it was racist. Blacks became viewed as an inferior race. That happened before Darwin, but it also happened after Darwin. Darwinist theory contributed to the “scientific” view that there was such a thing as race, which was not in fact common in the ancient world.

Darwinists insist that the scientific theory is different from Social Darwinism, yet it was Darwin’s friends, admirers, and supporters who invented social Darwinism and the idea of lesser races, which was common in the nineteenth century.

It was, of course, Christians who were chiefly responsible for doing away with slavery—the Pope and the bishops in Latin America, Evangelical Christians in England and America. Darwinists had nothing to do with it. They were the ones who talked about master races and inferior races.


3 posted on 01/24/2009 8:01:55 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: Sherman Logan
Darwin's position left open the possibility that humans are different species or sub-species, with some more primitive than others.

Precisely--with Nazism being the most obvious practical example of this interpretation. Besides, many (if not most) of the abolitionist were Christians who were anti-slavery because of their Christian principles. So if Darwin wanted to be anti-slavery, there was absolutely no need for him to make up some false creation myth about how we are descendants of apes.

4 posted on 01/24/2009 8:08:23 PM PST by Vozda ("For equanimity in the face of blind hatred, I recommend Christianity." ~Ann Coulter)
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To: Inappropriate Laughter

Very simply, Christianity cannot be used as a philosophical basis for racism; Darwinism can.


5 posted on 01/24/2009 8:08:40 PM PST by wendy1946
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To: Inappropriate Laughter

This is interesting. Darwinism, whether it was his intention or not, actually argues for the inequality of human races. If Darwinism is assumed to be correct for the sake of argument, and one then disregards the Christian concept of all peoples being ‘made in His image’, then logically there would have to be striking differences as various peoples evolved separately and moved about the planet - adapting to differing climates, acquiring different needed skills, etc.

Darwinism was beloved by all the architects of history’s bloodiest century - Marx, Hitler, Sanger and the like. The followers of Darwin invariably assigned sub-human ‘otherness’ to different races and cultures. The Nazis, obviously. The Soviets, Chinese and Korean communists were notoriously racist in their treatment of those they ruled.

I know nothing of these authors, and their premise may well be true as it applies to Darwin’s personal beliefs, but the legacy of Darwin is hardly egalitarian.


6 posted on 01/24/2009 8:09:49 PM PST by Cap74 (God is a Republican, Santa Claus is a Democrat -P.J. O'Rourke)
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To: Cicero

Just has Merchantilism has become Capitalism
Slavery has become Socialism in today’s world


7 posted on 01/24/2009 8:10:18 PM PST by 4rcane
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To: Inappropriate Laughter

The inordinate affection that both Evolutionists and Nazis have had for such things as skull measurements via calipers, and measurements of “cranial capacity” have been used to support racist views via science.

The Bible, on the other hand, does not make and has never made any claims other than common descent.


8 posted on 01/24/2009 8:12:08 PM PST by RegulatorCountry
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To: potlatch; holdonnow; PhilDragoo; ntnychik; MeekOneGOP; Jeff Head; Travis McGee

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Border Collies and Pitbulls are both of the same species

Garden Snakes and Coral Snakes are both of the same species

Rush Limbaugh and Chi-Town Thug O’Bummer are both of the same species

Now it begins.....

- The Survival Of The Fittest


9 posted on 01/24/2009 8:13:04 PM PST by devolve ( ____ I told you to slow down Elvis! ____)
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To: Cap74

RUBBISH

Darwin did more to create racism than any other theory possible. If you believe in Macro or Micro evolution, simple deduction will prove that everyone is either a little more or a little less advanced than the man standing next to you. It is basic deduction. We can not all evolve at the same rate.

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5787947


10 posted on 01/24/2009 8:15:40 PM PST by PanzerDeutscheschafferhund
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To: Inappropriate Laughter

The people that wrote this book are full of crabby patties...

Survival of the fittest, which is a hallmark of the evolutionary theory, is absolutely racist. Whichever race is the strongest is destined to win. It is Evolution at its base level.

One of the things that separates us from the animals... the idea that we can lift up the weakest among us. This is absolutely against our nature. When you see the news you may believe we only eat our young but in reality the world is full of those who would do anything to help others survive.

And right... the Bible said we were all descended from the same place long before Darwin came along.


11 posted on 01/24/2009 8:17:23 PM PST by Gordon Greene (www.fracturedrepublic.com - Welcome to the brave new world...)
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To: Cicero
Sounds to me like revisionist history. Slavery has been nearly universal, in every time and place, with the exception of Europe under Christianity, where it gradually faded away, only to be revived when Western explorers encountered the Arab and African slavers. Even then, slavery was not permitted in Europe but was used abroad.

Bingo!!!! Anything to increase book sales!!

12 posted on 01/24/2009 8:18:19 PM PST by org.whodat (Conservatives don't vote for Bailouts for Super-Rich Bankers! Republicans do!)
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To: Vozda
Besides, many (if not most) of the abolitionist were Christians who were anti-slavery because of their Christian principles.

True. However, it is also only fair to point out that the only people, the Confederacy, to ever fight a great war in defense of the principles of slavery and racism claimed to base their philosophy on Christianity.

The Bible can be quoted successfully in defense of slavery. In fact, slavery was taken for granted as a fact of life by all Bible authors. But the Bible cannot be used to support racism or race-based slavery.

13 posted on 01/24/2009 8:20:19 PM PST by Sherman Logan (Everyone has a right to his own opinion, but not to his own facts.)
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To: Inappropriate Laughter

The Darwinist are sure going to have to change the Ape descent to man, art work, if they are going to fully cleanse old Darwin’s savage works.


14 posted on 01/24/2009 8:21:55 PM PST by Just mythoughts
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To: Cicero
BTW, you have to be much more specific than to say just "Europe". After all "Europe" is a big place, and there were slaves in its nether regions right down to the 1700s.

What you want to say is "Christian Europe". That will also carefully excise "Moslem Europe" from the picture ~ they had slaves! Actually, even Christian princes in the Balkans had slaves called "Gypsies".

Volga River Vikings kept their women as slaves right down to the end of their rule.

15 posted on 01/24/2009 8:25:24 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: Cicero
"Sounds to me like revisionist history."

I recently had a poster try to convince me that slavery in America was ended by Charles Darwin and a small band of determined Evolutionists. Maybe he was inspired by a flush of bicentenary fever?

16 posted on 01/24/2009 8:37:30 PM PST by YHAOS
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To: Inappropriate Laughter

Hate to burst this author’s revisionist bubble, but the idea that all humans have a common ancestor predates Darwin by thousands of years. Ever heard of Adam and Eve? Noah?


17 posted on 01/24/2009 8:42:26 PM PST by Julia H. (Somewhere in Kenya or Indonesia, a village is missing its idiot.)
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To: Cicero
“It was, of course, Christians who were chiefly responsible for doing away with slavery—the Pope and the bishops in Latin America, Evangelical Christians in England and America. Darwinists had nothing to do with it. They were the ones who talked about master races and inferior races.”

Bingo!

Does anyone have evidence of Darwin belonging to any abolitionist society? Think not.

Had Darwin's theory been published and gained traction earlier it would have been siezed upon by the pro-slavery segment as justification for slavery. As Chesterton said, if we weren't created equally, we certainly didn't evolve equally, and one could add that the evolution was not equal not only as individuals but also not as as races either. And why should not an inferior race have been used pick cotton just as less evolved animals like draft horses were used to pull carts? And why not breed people as animals are bred—opps, that was eugenics.

It isn't an argument that Darwinism is scientifically incorrect because it has a poor effect on society (albeit strong arguments against Darwinism can be made on scientific grounds), but the contention that Darwinism opposed slavery is revisionism of the highest order.

Sort of like claiming that Al Capone was really a disciple of Carrie Nation.

18 posted on 01/24/2009 8:50:42 PM PST by Jacob Morgan
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To: Inappropriate Laughter
I've read hundreds of books on this subject, and this is totally novel to me. First, that Darwin cared much about the subject of slavery, and second, I'm not grasping how evolution is supposed to be anti-slavery.

If anything it is exactly and precisely the opposite. If fellow humans are made in the image of God, than mistreatment and abuse of them, or treating them as your own property instead of belonging to God (as it were), is wrong. It is easy to see how biblical theism mitigates against slavery, and easy to see from the historical record that this was indeed the case.

By contrast, Darwinism taught that 'might makes right.' That some people are more primitive, more like animals, than others. Thus, why not enslave them? Why not do whatever you can to crush your competition and use them for your own ends. Slavery fits perfectly with pure Darwinism.

It seems to me the Darwinists are desperate. They are trying to capitalize on the 200th anniversary, but the evidence is so heavily against them now that they can only make these kinds of lame and ridiculous arguments. The more they call attention to the subject the worse it is going to get for them. :-)

19 posted on 01/24/2009 8:51:41 PM PST by Liberty1970 (Democrats are not in control. God is. And Thank God for that!)
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To: RegulatorCountry

“The Bible, on the other hand, does not make and has never made any claims other than common descent.”

The common descent Bible theory falls short of Darwin’s theory. Evidence supporting Darwin’s descent with modification theory is visible in museums everywhere.


20 posted on 01/24/2009 9:11:55 PM PST by OldNavyVet (Character counts)
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