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To: Aurorales
I know this sounds Drama Queen, but I honestly am starting to feel what our Founding Fathers must have been thinking when they knew it was time to pull the trigger...we are standing on the brink of that very same effort if we want this GRAND COUNTRY and our Republic to survive.

A Democracy cannot last...only a true, Free Republic!!!!

122 posted on 01/23/2009 6:24:16 PM PST by IrishPennant (Patriotism is strongest when accompanied by bad politics, loyal FRiends and great whiskey)
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136 posted on 01/23/2009 6:31:37 PM PST by LucyJo
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To: IrishPennant

I don’t hear Drama Queen, I hear truth.
If anyone tells you otherwise they are either stupid, brainwashed, or an enemy.

If you have any ideas, hear any beginnings or just want to know if anyone else in the world is seeing what you are seeing, please ping me.

I always like reading your comments and responses.

Someone else on this thread mentioned feeling paranoid. That is what I feel. It is hard to trust people you haven’t known for a while, or info you read. This is not a good situation we are in right now.

Another tactic used by the enemy. Make the other side feel like they are all alone.


151 posted on 01/23/2009 6:46:50 PM PST by Aurorales
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To: IrishPennant
I honestly am starting to feel what our Founding Fathers must have been thinking when they knew it was time to pull the trigger...

This is what they were thinking:

"That whenever any form of government becomes destructive to these ends, it is the right of the people to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their safety and happiness."

And they did consider the consequences:

"Prudence, indeed, will dictate that governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shown that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed."

But the evidence was overwhelming to them:

"But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such government, and to provide new guards for their future security. --Such has been the patient sufferance of these colonies; and such is now the necessity which constrains them to alter their former systems of government."

Among some of the complaints:

"The history of the present King of Great Britain is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations, all having in direct object the establishment of an absolute tyranny over these states. To prove this, let facts be submitted to a candid world."

"He has refused his assent to laws, the most wholesome and necessary for the public good."

"He has dissolved representative houses repeatedly, for opposing with manly firmness his invasions on the rights of the people."

"He has combined with others to subject us to a jurisdiction foreign to our constitution, and unacknowledged by our laws; giving his assent to their acts of pretended legislation:"

"For cutting off our trade with all parts of the world:"

"For imposing taxes on us without our consent:"

"For taking away our charters, abolishing our most valuable laws, and altering fundamentally the forms of our governments:"

"We have warned them from time to time of attempts by their legislature to extend an unwarrantable jurisdiction over us. We have reminded them of the circumstances of our emigration and settlement here. We have appealed to their native justice and magnanimity, and we have conjured them by the ties of our common kindred to disavow these usurpations, which, would inevitably interrupt our connections and correspondence. They too have been deaf to the voice of justice and of consanguinity. We must, therefore, acquiesce in the necessity, which denounces our separation, and hold them, as we hold the rest of mankind, enemies in war, in peace friends."

"And for the support of this declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of Divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor."

174 posted on 01/23/2009 7:06:48 PM PST by Kent C
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