Posted on 01/19/2009 10:53:36 AM PST by nickcarraway
You keep defending the Ramseys to me when I have not accused them. Instead, my point remains that if they are innocent of the crime, the murderer probably was not a stranger to them.
not now she doesn’t.
When she was at this age there were times she did - yes.
There were times she did during the day as well.
My neice had the same problem.
Neither girl was the victim of incest.
In fact, I’m willing to guess that most kids who suffer from this are NOT victims of incest.
One reason the BTK case came to my mind was that I remember at one point reading someone’s theory that Jon Benet may have been one of his victims (due to his penchant for garroting and hiding in victims’ basements).
This - of course - was prior to the capture of Mr. Rader whose dna was not a match.
An interesting aspect to the BTK case...the first victims being the Oteros, and it was due to his sexual fantasies regarding both the mother and the young daughter.
So - it is not unheard of that a freak of nature and a total stranger can pull something like this off.
One night BTK snuck into a woman’s basement and waited for her.
Lucky for her she did not come home that night, and he wrote a poem about how upset he was.
Such people do exist.
Not unheard of, but very rare statistically speaking. In addition, such people typically are serial offenders who tend to repeat several aspects of their crimes, even if the repetitive pattern isn't obvious to investigators.
The single most disturbing aspect of the Ramsey case to me is that there has not been a single other case with the same or similar characteristics in the years immediately preceding it or afterwards.
“Not unheard of, but very rare statistically speaking.”
True - which, I’m sure, is little comfort to those victims of those rare cases.
“In addition, such people typically are serial offenders who tend to repeat several aspects of their crimes, even if the repetitive pattern isn’t obvious to investigators.”
True.
“The single most disturbing aspect of the Ramsey case to me is that there has not been a single other case with the same or similar characteristics in the years immediately preceding it or afterwards.”
That we know of.
Exactly. I still think the parents are deep into this, but even if they aren't, they made that kid a target by teaching her to shake her ass like a cheap hooker in public. I sure hope a lot of other parents thought twice about turning their little girl into some fake "beauty princess".
You can't seriously think that a serial sexual sadist is out there stealing very young children from their beds, raping, bludgeoning, and garroting them in or near their homes, leaving rambling notes, and such murders have gone unreported all these years? It's one thing to stick to one's position, but to do so up to the point of absurdity?
There has not been, to my knowledge, that exact set of events you describe, but you cannot deny the weirdest things have happened over the years that would be unbelievable before it is proven.
The gal in Florida, next door neighbor, kept the gal alive in his sister’s house, then buried her alive.
The guy in Idaho that wiped out a family for the two kids.
We could go on and on.
The Ramsay case will go down in history as one of the great unsolved cases, with people on both sides; neither any more or less absurd in defending their side of the argument. Unless someone confesses that matches the DNA found on her.
No, I cannot deny it. I have never said that it's impossible for a total stranger to have killed Jon Benet, only that I am skeptical. As I posted earlier, being skeptical does not mean one's mind is closed to a possibility, only that one requires proof before accepting that possibility as fact.
maybe Mark Karr isn’t the only one who went to Thailand.
Maybe the killer commits crimes, but not in the same manner.
There’s all sorts of possibilities.
I honestly have to say I don’t have a feeling one way or the other in this case. With the apparent bungling of the investigation, and what appears to be a witch hunt of the parents... who knows.
Uh....no.
A killer whose trail has run cold? No doubt about it.
Whether or not there was evidence at the scene, JB’s body showed a history of sexual molestation IIRC. This was not a one time finding.
Consider this scenario: JB tells mommy that so and so was ‘hurting’ her. Mommy (inebriated or not after the party), flies into a rage and smacks JB for lying. JB falls and hits her head. Mommy (or whoever else would be enraged at the accusation against so and so) in a fit of rage chokes her. When she calms down and freaks out over what she has done, she then has to cover up the crime in a small amount of time resulting in an illogical crime scene.
Temporary insanity by a psychologically unbalanced person? Maybe.
The sexual assault and murder can be two separate situations.
Yes, although bedwetting can occur for a few other reasons, both are classic symptoms of ongoing sexual molestation in children.
my goodness! I’m lucky you two weren’t around my daughter a couple of years ago or I’d be in the klinker!
So let me tell you a common problem many children have at this age.
Yes - I went through this with my pediatrician, and yes - he stated this happens often -WITHOUT incest being involved!
Sometimes a child has a fear of “releasing” into the toilet.
It can either be an irrational fear, or it can be a fear based on previous painful bm’s (which was the case with my daughter).
And then what you have is a self fulfilling fear...the child is afraid of the pain so she avoids the toilet - which makes the next attempt painful - which reinforces the fear.
So you can wind up with a child who “holds” until she literally cannot control herself and winds up messing herself.
I also have 2 boys who were bedwetters.
I don’t need your lectures on the subject. I’ve worked pediatric ER and pediatric psych for years as a RN.
If you’ll reread my post I did not say that all bedwetters were molestation victims.
btw, I was just on Amazon reading excerpts of Steve Thomas’ book. It looks very good.
Good, then I’m sure you’ll agree that Jon Benet’s bedwetting doesn’t automatically mean she was a victim of incest.
And certainly if she were a victim of incest, then the dna would have been a match to dad or brother, but it wasn’t.
You’re quite conspiracy-minded aren’t you... :-)
Perhaps you want my DNA for testing?
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