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America may intervene in Mexico
Digital Journal ^ | 1/17/09 | Naved Akhtar

Posted on 01/19/2009 10:45:03 AM PST by Sammy67

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To: Sammy67; Bokababe; AuntB; iopscusa; Between the Lines; Admin Moderator
I have filed an Abuse Report on your post Sammy67, because the referenced "Army report" does not even remotely make the kinds of assertions stated in post #1 or in the referenced "Digital Journal" web site article by "Naved Akhtar".

In fact there also is no link to the report, which would is easy enough for anyone to have done but which also would easily debunk the entire story. (Of course the link was kindly provided by Between the Lines in post #22).

I am personally disgusted when people post this kind of misrepresentation and BS and then refer to it as "journalism". It is not.

61 posted on 01/19/2009 1:38:39 PM PST by angkor
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To: mojitojoe
He isn’t getting his own civilian army. He might want it but if he starts that, it’s going to be a SHTF situation imo.

We can only hope that this idiot's trajectory parallels that of Salvador Allende.

I see this Presidency as a constant [SHTF] event with more and more excrement hitting the ventilator, yet the compliant and obsequious press covering for him like they did for Clinton and like they did for Roosevelt for 12 FRIGGIN' YEARS.

Obama promises to be far worse than FDR and exacerbate the sadly misguided policies of one of our worse Presidents by repeating his folly and in a time even less well suited to Keynsian folly.

62 posted on 01/19/2009 1:39:03 PM PST by Bon mots
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To: AuntB

>>>>> WHO said it did? You’re getting distraught over what????I replied to people who said there was no report at all and NO problem in Mexico. <<<<<<

Calm down.

I CC’d my response to you as a courtesy.


63 posted on 01/19/2009 1:40:34 PM PST by angkor
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To: angkor
I am going to submit this posting for abuse, because its core premise and headline are both flatly untrue and deceptive to FR readers.

That would eliminate half of the articles posted here at FR. We are required to use the original headline when posting an article. It is not an attempt to deceive FReepers. Each of us is responsible enough to determine what we wish to believe or reject with or without headline censorship.

64 posted on 01/19/2009 1:46:12 PM PST by Between the Lines (I am very cognizant of my fallibility, sinfulness, and other limitations.)
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To: angkor

So it’s the original article you have a problem with? Okay....

You best take that ‘calm down’ advice yourself.


65 posted on 01/19/2009 1:47:54 PM PST by AuntB (The right to vote in America: Blacks 1870; Women 1920; Native Americans 1925)
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To: Between the Lines

If you’re printing known lies and misrepresentations, you should caveat your posts or at least somehow make it known to FR readers.

You don’t need to “censor”, just be honest.

This one didn’t need a “Barf Alert”, it needed a “Lie Alert”.


66 posted on 01/19/2009 1:53:25 PM PST by angkor
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To: AuntB

>>>> You best take that ‘calm down’ advice yourself. <<<<

I think not Auntie.

I am fuming and PO’d when people do this kind of thing.

It was only a few weeks ago that someone did exactly the same with an Army War College thesis.

It’s deceptive.


67 posted on 01/19/2009 1:55:07 PM PST by angkor
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To: gargoyle
.What a great idea, Mexico invaded us, let’s invade Mexico...

Maybe we can raise and train a big army made up of illegal aliens residing in the US and send them home to save the mother country.

68 posted on 01/19/2009 2:03:02 PM PST by Will88
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To: angkor

Okay, I’m really trying to understand what it is you find ‘deceptive’. Is it the title?

Is it this sentence in the article?
The report states: “Any descent by Mexico into chaos would demand an American response based on the serious implications for homeland security alone.”

Are you saying the report doesn’t say that? Or could you not find the report? Let’s get to the bottom of it.

Or are you saying there is no threat in Mexico?


69 posted on 01/19/2009 2:05:55 PM PST by AuntB (The right to vote in America: Blacks 1870; Women 1920; Native Americans 1925)
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Ping for later.


70 posted on 01/19/2009 2:37:00 PM PST by Darth Gill
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To: Sammy67
Mexico has a population of 110 million and shares a two thousand mile border with America.

Mexico shares a border with America? What idiot wrote this? Mexico, part of North America, shares a border with the United States, also part of North America.
71 posted on 01/19/2009 3:00:26 PM PST by LanaTurnerOverdrive ("I've done a few things in my life I'm not proud of, and the things I am proud of are disgusting.")
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To: Will88

...I was thinking, open the borders to all the illegal immigrants, let them get comfortable, seal the borders and the coasts, all the citizens of the US can sneak out and occupy the rest of the planet, and try to keep a Constitutional Republic or Planet...


72 posted on 01/19/2009 3:06:52 PM PST by gargoyle (...Don't bring shotguns to UFO landings, let the aliens land, they might be here to pick me up...)
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To: AdmSmith; Berosus; Convert from ECUSA; dervish; Ernest_at_the_Beach; Fred Nerks; justiceseeker93; ..
US Army report states that America may be forced to intervene in Mexico to prevent the country from collapsing at the hands of organised crime and drug cartels. The report compiled by the army's highest command has placed Mexico alongside Pakistan as possible failed states of the future. The report states: "Two large and important states bear consideration for rapid and sudden collapse: Pakistan and Mexico."
Let's recruit an expeditionary force made up entirely of Spanish-speaking illegal aliens. I'm sure they'd be more than happy to enlist and liberate their homeland. /sarc
73 posted on 01/19/2009 3:52:27 PM PST by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/____________________ Profile updated Monday, January 12, 2009)
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To: Perdogg

Related to your Predictions threads.

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74 posted on 01/19/2009 3:58:56 PM PST by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/____________________ Profile updated Monday, January 12, 2009)
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To: AuntB
Directly after the cover page of the JOE study - on page ii - is the following caveat, which each and every follow-on exaggerated report (including the opening post to this thread) completely fails to mention:

"This document is speculative in nature and does not suppose to predict what will happen in the next twenty-five years. Rather, it is intended to serve as a starting point for discussions..."

And here are the two speculative paragraphs out of 56 pages that are generating these exaggerated stories and FR posts (with my emphasis):

"In particular, the growing assault by the drug cartels and their thugs on the Mexican government over the past several years reminds one that an unstable Mexico could represent a homeland security problem of immense proportions to the United States."

[snip]

"The Mexican possibility may seem less likely, but the government, its politicians, police, and judicial infrastructure are all under sustained assault and pressure by criminal gangs and drug cartels. How that internal conflict turns out over the next several years will have a major impact on the stability of the Mexican state. Any descent by Mexico into chaos would demand an American response based on the serious implications for homeland security alone."

[End Mexico cites from JOE]

That's it. Fifty-six pages and those two paragraphs are the totality of what we have to generate stories in blogs, mentions by Lou Dobbs, vague references in the Wall Street Journal, and posts in FR. There is no other discussion of Mexico in those 56 pages. Zero. None. Nada. Not a peep.

So, yes, these have very much been wholesale misrepresentations of the JOE report, and those who propagate it as even an unofficial Pentagon position or as anything other than thoughtful speculation and possibility are doing their readers no service.

As I've said, to do so is lying, plain and simple.

75 posted on 01/19/2009 4:31:49 PM PST by angkor
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To: mojitojoe

“He isn’t getting his own civilian army. He might want it but if he starts that, it’s going to be a SHTF situation imo.”

Guaranteed.


76 posted on 01/19/2009 6:07:39 PM PST by ought-six ( Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule.)
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To: DH

Re: Your Post#56

I agree.


77 posted on 01/19/2009 6:15:32 PM PST by ought-six ( Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule.)
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To: Captain Kirk; KDD

More of the same interventionism.


78 posted on 01/19/2009 6:30:04 PM PST by Extremely Extreme Extremist (The Libertarian and Constitution Parties should merge into one)
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To: Tallguy
Black Jack (can we still say that?) Pershing, please pickup the white courtesy phone!

We need to deal with the drug thugs in Mexico, like Pershing dealt with the Huks in the Phillipines.

79 posted on 01/19/2009 6:32:21 PM PST by dfwgator (1996 2006 2008 - Good Things Come in Threes)
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To: Sammy67

If Mexico collapses, then the US should seize more of its territory. I am thinking AT LEAST the peninsula of Baja California, at the end of which we could build a great naval base!


80 posted on 01/19/2009 6:40:51 PM PST by 2harddrive (...House a TOTAL Loss.....)
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