Posted on 01/19/2009 4:07:56 AM PST by markomalley
I’m telling you from 20 years in the USAF, that having women (and homosexuals) in units under my command had NO appreciable effect on cohesion or morale. If you try to convince me otherwise, I place the blame squarely on unit commanders who tolerate it or quietly encourage it.
I’ve finally figured out why the Left wants gays in the military. It’s the one institution they don’t own lock, stock, and barrel. If they infiltrate their own into it, as they’ve done with the government, the media, and the schools, they have eliminated the last great powerful institution that can stop the march to world socialism.
Exactly! That's why he said he'd do it. He knows it won't get through Congress, so it buys him political capital for a song (probably by YMCA).
In THIS Congress? You have got to be kidding me...
My prediction: a standalone bill won't pass, but it will be a little-noticed paragraph in next year's Defense Appropriations Bill (why? because (R)'s won't dare vote against it...otherwise they won't be "supporting the troops")
Shipboard life is totally different.
It all comes down to leadership, no doubt about it.
We're about to find out how little leadership ability 44 has, as evidenced by his propensity for "present" votes. It's showing in his "revised and extended" remarks about GITMO, and going after Bin Laden.
I don’t doubt that homosexuals serve in the military, as a matter of fact I know they do but they are very discreet and that seems to work. I think the integration of blacks has been more successful than the integration of women and perhaps it is because of sexual orientation. The cohesiveness and comradery I noticed in the 80’s (before tailgate) has lessened. Now we have PC training ad nauseam and the comradery has changed since then. I don’t know if it’s better or worse in the long run, but sometimes I miss the old days.
And privets shouldn’t to play with other privets privets.
larry the cable guy
Hey, I’m a skinny hetrosexual old military retiree. I don’t want to be recalled. Maybe I had better get some survival gear ready and head (no pun there guys) for the hills.
As long as he says what they want to hear, they don’t really care if he never actually accomplishes anything.
I am a shorttimer myself. After 35+ years in the military, I am so happy to be getting out instead of having to face four years under this poser.
The Fool is going to discover that there are a lot of promises he made that he won't be able to keep. This will be an interesting 4 years. . . . . . . .
I guess none of us can expect that tax cut b[end] 0[ver] promised to 95% of the people either. He sure is lowering expectations early.
I also served in the USAF for 20 years. I experienced the effects of intergrating blacks and women into the ranks. Those were given special preference in performance reports, promotions and assignments. Supervisors to senior officers endangered their own careers if they showed the slightest hint of resistance to the political correctness of the times. None of us non-favored class dared speak of the “quota” system. We were often passed over while incompetent peers rose in the ranks. Their numbers grew and multiplied the situation. Carter and Clinton policies devastated the best of the military. I have no doubt Obama and the demorat congress will push the gay agenda on to the military.
I expect the addition of a gay affairs office, a gay bath house recreational center, gay days, gay parades, pink ribbons, and special sections of performance reports...
It may sound extreme now, but don’t be surprized with the
weirdos being handed the power.
Without a lisp.
Are race and gender really the same as behavior?
I had the exact opposite experience during my military service. Before you through the phobe flag: I do not give a rat’s patoot who is doing who or how they do it. I’m pretty much libertarian on the subject.
My shipboard experience saw numerous instances of MAJOR problems caused by homosexuals and their behavior and my shore duty experiences saw many problems caused by the presence of females and homosexuals. I was repeatedly hit on by homosexuals/bisexuals and a female commissioned officer who were in my chain of command (various commands). I saw people not advanced or hounded and given bad evals due to the fact that they did not want to play bi-games with bisexual males in their chain of command. I saw these events with my own eyes.
Your experiences are not the end all of what goes on. Our opinions are colored by our experiences, and vice versa.
My wife's grandfather, an old "pig boat" Chief, fit that description some time around 1937. Has was in for a very rude awakening in 1942 when the Navy dragged his old, skinny @ss back into active duty.
He should have read the fine print regarding the Regular Navy Retired List:
He managed to claim he was too old to go back into subs but he spent the rest of the war in a sub tender in the South Pacific. He never forgave the Navy until the day he died.
They are already there. The first time I ever met a flamer, I was in Basic Training.
Let me clarify, I know that gays are in the military but not openly. I am sure that many are fine soldiers. And I am sure many are not as there are many heteros that aren’t fine soldiers either. My point is to see if the those who are the activists line up to join.
And per your comment, should I assume the one gay person you knew wasn’t a good soldier?
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