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Our First FReeper Book Club: Atlas Shrugged
A Publius Essay | 15 January 2009 | Publius

Posted on 01/15/2009 10:32:08 AM PST by Publius

Over the past few weeks, Ayn Rand’s classic, Atlas Shrugged, has been mentioned in articles in the Wall Street Journal and among conservative and libertarian bloggers. Two questions are being debated by those who have read the book.

  1. Are we living in a time line that follows the book?
  2. What chapter are we in?

Besides those who have read the book, there are FReepers with little awareness of Rand and her work. Some are turned off by the length of her works of fiction. Some of a more religious bent have problems with Rand’s atheism. Some wish she had left the few sex scenes out. Some just think she’s a bad writer.

I would like to propose our first FReeper Book Club effort: A chance for a group of us to read Atlas Shrugged together, both old hands and newcomers to the book. Once this effort settles in, I or others might want to start FReeper Book Clubs dedicated to Forrest McDonald’s States’ Rights and the Union, or Alexis de Toqueville’s Democracy in America. I like the idea of an interleaved reading of both the “Federalist Papers” and “Anti-Federalist Papers” together in strict chronological order so as to see the point and counterpoint of the debate over the Constitution. I’ve picked Atlas Shrugged for starters because it’s a hot topic and it’s fun. Once we get into the habit of reading and discussing together, we can tackle the heavier stuff.

The book is divided into 30 chapters. I propose to post a thread on one chapter every Saturday, which would make 30 threads over a period of 30 weeks to cover the entire book. I’ll provide a short synopsis of the chapter, expound on certain themes and raise questions to stimulate debate. If FReeper Book Club members feel that a faster pace is better, we can settle on one.

Atlas and Me

I came to Atlas Shrugged via the usual method: I read it in high school. The bully who sat behind me and enjoyed pounding me at the Catholic prep school I attended in New Jersey exposed me to the book by hitting me on the head with it. Its weight made an immediate impression. Our sophomore English teacher was not teaching the book, and he suggested that the bully pound me with something of lesser weight, such as The Red Badge of Courage.

The English teacher panned the book, stating that it was the kind of book an immature person might enjoy, but a mature adult with experience of the world could not take Rand seriously. The solutions proposed by Atlas Shrugged were not realistic.

The vice principal, a priest from Brooklyn who believed in FDR, JFK, LBJ and God, in that order, excoriated Rand for writing “an anti-Christian epic” and broadly hinted that the bully was sinning by reading it. Better to hit someone over the head with it. The solutions proposed by Atlas Shrugged were evil.

I read the book anyway.

The Strange World of Atlas Shrugged

Rand’s book was written between 1945 and 1956 and published in 1957. During the postwar years, America saw massive changes in society and technology, and the shape of world politics shifted mightily. None of this is reflected in the book. Some of the differences between Rand’s world and our own are rather egregious and require comment.

The easiest way to explain these anomalies is to say that Rand lacked the scientific background to project technological change and simply dealt with the technology of her era while projecting political change. But then how did she project the use of ultrasound for Project Xylophone and the holographic projection that protected Galt’s Gulch? There is a strange mix of the old and the new. What marks a total departure from our reality is the change in politics and in the American character.

One can accept all this as artist’s license, but I tried to come up with my own logic for how Rand’s America came to this pass.

Alternative History: Trying the Harry Turtledove Approach

If one wanted to create an alternative history for the universe of Atlas Shrugged, one could start with the 4-way election of 1948. In this alternative history, Henry Wallace won the race, defeating Truman, Dewey and Thurmond, establishing a Labor government on the British model in America. The warning voices of Martin Dies, John Bricker, Joseph McCarthy and Richard Nixon were stilled.

Wallace wanted no cold war with the Soviets, and with the quick withdrawal of American forces from Europe, Germany was reunified under a communist People’s State government. The Soviet Union, now the People’s State of Russia, never geared up for war, settling instead for passive mediocrity. Britain never rejected Clement Atlee, and with the abolition of the monarchy and the establishment of a written constitution on the German model, the People’s State of England replaced the United Kingdom. In France, De Gaulle never came to power, and the Fourth Republic morphed into the People’s State of France.

In the Western Hemisphere, figures similar to Fidel Castro established the People’s State of Mexico and other communist countries in Central and South America.

America did not go all the way to People’s State status, however, although intellectuals worked hard toward that end. Instead, America became a gray, downtrodden country accepting an atmosphere of sad decay, much like England today. Americans accepted that things were hopeless and that nothing could be done. Feelings replaced facts. The very nature of reality was questioned.

It took only a decade of economic stasis, misguided politics and cultural pollution to create the hell described by Rand.

Some Thoughts on the Movie

A scriptwriter would have a hard time shrinking the story to fill a two or three hour time slot even if all the long speeches were eliminated. A miniseries for television would have served the book better.

This effort would be a production designer’s dream. I would point to John Vallone, who handled production design for Walter Hill’s 1984 classic, “Streets of Fire”. Vallone created a fascinating mix of Fifties and Eighties that had no parallel in real time. Something in the same vein would make the movie memorable, rather than setting it in the present or a future that looks like the present.

Let’s Get Started

I will build a ping list for our FReeper Book Club, so sign in on this thread. I’ll use the keyword “freeperbookclub” to mark these threads as they are posted.

Welcome to our first effort. Prepare to read and discuss.


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To: Lou L
Ugh. Of all people...for one, I can't stand Angelina, and she's just not how I pictured Dagny.

I believe she owns major control of it - she 'identifies' with Dagny...

the producers, I understand, are working off a draft written by Randall Wallace, who wrote the script forBraveheart, which gives me a glimmer of hope.

According to a report in, of all places, The New Individualist

"Jolie is a longtime fan of Rand -America's most controversial individualist - so her enthusiasm for playing the female lead of Dagny Taggart, the intelligent and powerful executive of a railroad empire, is not surprising. "

In the link below is an interesting question answer: "SP: What other actors, if any, have committed to the project?

Aglialoro: We have had discussions with Russell Crowe to play the part of Hank Rearden....

SP: Who is John Galt?

Aglialoro: He’ll probably be played by an unknown..."

I think that's a good idea - then the audience's take on Galt won't be overridden by who the actor is, as it might be if Pitt played the role.

Originally, it was due out last spring - then it was to be 3 part mini-series this spring. Now, according to this article, it's back a 2 1/2 hour movie for the fall.

The condensing that will squish this into 2 1/2 hours is worrisome. What writer has that sharp an instrument?

We can only wait and see - and wait, and wait.

I have been 'waiting' for 50 years...

http://www.theatlasphere.com/columns/080225-aglialoro-atlas-shrugged-movie.php

201 posted on 01/15/2009 3:43:37 PM PST by maine-iac7 ("He has the right to criticize who has the heart to help" Lincoln)
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To: Publius

I read it back in college early seventies... I’ll try to find a copy in my storage area to participate. Add me to the list...


202 posted on 01/15/2009 3:45:49 PM PST by JDoutrider (Heading to Galt's Gulch... It is time.)
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To: Nonperson

not exactly what i had in mind


203 posted on 01/15/2009 3:51:43 PM PST by GeronL (A woodchuck would chuck as much wood as a woodchuck could chuck if a woodchuck could chuck wood)
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To: Publius
I'm in but I need a little time to get (another) copy of the book.

I used to have two; one to loan out (last loan-out never came back, obviously) and the other one my college kid took with to school. A group of them did the same thing as you have planned here, but their discussion was on a face-to-face basis. Smart kids, state college, not a blue state.

204 posted on 01/15/2009 4:00:02 PM PST by onemiddleamerican
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To: NewJerseyJoe

Are you in?


205 posted on 01/15/2009 4:05:34 PM PST by Publius (The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other peopleÂ’s money.)
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To: Publius

I’m in. Can you give me some cliff notes what’s going on in this thread so far? I really don’t feel like going through all 200+ posts. Thanks broski


206 posted on 01/15/2009 4:19:24 PM PST by randomhero97 ("First you want to kill me, now you want to kiss me. Blow!" - Ash)
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To: Publius

Add me, too. Thanks.


207 posted on 01/15/2009 4:31:58 PM PST by wizr (Blessed Jesus, bluegrass & friends)
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To: randomhero97

Most of the posts are just people checking, and a few are comparing notes. Wait for my posting of the thread for Chapter 1 on Saturday.


208 posted on 01/15/2009 4:40:45 PM PST by Publius (The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other peopleÂ’s money.)
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To: Tanniker Smith; Publius

Thanks for the ping Tanniker! Publius, can you add me to your ping list? I just read the book over Christmas vacation and would love to discuss it.
By the way, I think many people are reading it. All of the copies in our library system were checked out when I went looking for it.


209 posted on 01/15/2009 5:01:57 PM PST by sunshine state
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To: Publius

Could you add me to the ping list for Atlas Shrugged. I’m about 1/3 through it now. Thanks


210 posted on 01/15/2009 5:03:17 PM PST by WVNight (We havn't played Cowboys and Muslims yet....)
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To: Publius

I read it in High School, too. ping me about this.

Was a democrat later in high school, but “converted” to Libertarian shortly thereafter. I think Ayn Rand’s work helped in that transition.
:)


211 posted on 01/15/2009 5:15:01 PM PST by 4Liberty (Discount window +fractional reserve banking = moral hazard + bank corporate welfare + Inflation tax)
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To: Publius

Good intro and background analysis. I need to get a new copy, but ping me to the thread, please.


212 posted on 01/15/2009 5:23:27 PM PST by reformedliberal
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To: Publius

Never wanted to be in a book club - until now.

I’ve been picking away slowly at Atlas over the past few months.


213 posted on 01/15/2009 6:31:54 PM PST by Scotswife (GO ISRAEL!!!)
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To: Publius

Awesome! Thanks so much for doing this!


214 posted on 01/15/2009 6:34:29 PM PST by Savagemom (Educational Maverick (at least while homeschooling is still legal))
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To: MarkL

” as we can see with the nomination of the guy for Secretary of the Treasury who didn’t pay his taxes. And the leftists are saying “it’s no big deal.” Talk about not being laden with guilt - or conscience.”

exactly.
And what is funny is that the part that supposedly thinks gays are wonderful - what do they do to a guy who taps his toes in the bathroom? Or a guy who sends a text to another adult male? (Foley)

Well - they get crucified of course.


215 posted on 01/15/2009 6:36:16 PM PST by Scotswife (GO ISRAEL!!!)
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To: Billthedrill

” her villains are drawn so perfectly it’s almost painful to read them and a newspaper too close together.”

That’s what I’m enjoying most about the book.
She sure nails down the liberal shtick solid doesn’t she?


216 posted on 01/15/2009 6:39:24 PM PST by Scotswife (GO ISRAEL!!!)
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To: Publius

Add me to the ping list please.

I’ve read it a dozen or so times starting in 76, I take it along on extended business trips.

I’ve got one coming up in Feb. time to start it again.


217 posted on 01/15/2009 6:43:31 PM PST by JMJJR (Newspeak is the official language of Oceana)
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To: Publius

Awesome. Add me to the ping list, please.


218 posted on 01/15/2009 6:50:18 PM PST by BuckeyeTexan
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To: Publius

Please add me to your list.


219 posted on 01/15/2009 6:58:25 PM PST by Umanbean
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To: Publius

Good luck with this, Pub.

I’m in.


220 posted on 01/15/2009 7:00:37 PM PST by mick
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