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Also, FTA:

"The two disillusioned attorneys were victims of an unfolding education hoax on the middle class that's just as insidious, and nearly as sweeping, as the housing debacle. The ingredients are strikingly similar, too: Misguided easy-money policies that are encouraging the masses to go into debt; a self-serving establishment trading in half-truths that exaggerate the value of its product; plus a Wall Street money machine dabbling in outright fraud as it foists unaffordable debt on the most vulnerable marks."

Getting a college degree isn't always a bad thing, but it's not always a good thing, either.

1 posted on 01/15/2009 10:10:49 AM PST by rabscuttle385
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2 posted on 01/15/2009 10:11:49 AM PST by rabscuttle385 ("If this be treason, then make the most of it!" —Patrick Henry)
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4 posted on 01/15/2009 10:12:49 AM PST by rabscuttle385 ("If this be treason, then make the most of it!" —Patrick Henry)
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a self-serving establishment trading in half-truths that exaggerate the value of its product;

I love that line. And I couldn't agree more.

5 posted on 01/15/2009 10:13:54 AM PST by Flycatcher (Strong copy for a strong America)
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O boo hoo hoo. If each had a six figure income, then I’m guessing they were living the high life instead of paying off the debt. If they had lived on one of their incomes and used the other to pay off the debt, they’d be done with it by now. Silly people.


6 posted on 01/15/2009 10:14:09 AM PST by Mercat (God doesn't call me to be successful. God calls me to be faithful. Mother Teresa)
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A 40-year-old Los Angeles resident, Kellum did everything he was supposed to do to get ahead in life. He worked hard as a high schooler, got into the University of Virginia and graduated with a bachelor's degree in history.

Swing and a miss!

7 posted on 01/15/2009 10:14:29 AM PST by Wolfie
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>>Kellum did everything he was supposed to do to get ahead in life. He worked hard as a high schooler, got into the University of Virginia and graduated with a bachelor’s degree in history.

A History degree? Perhaps, if he had studied something useful...


8 posted on 01/15/2009 10:15:19 AM PST by vikingd00d (chown -R us ./base)
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I concur with just about every point that is made in this article about the idiocy of taking on huge piles of debt to pay for "higher education."

I would recommend attending school on a part-time basis (and working on a full-time basis, or close to it) as one possible alternative to this scenario. I can't think of too many careers in which $140,000 of debt would actually be a good investment.

9 posted on 01/15/2009 10:16:02 AM PST by Alberta's Child (I'm out on the outskirts of nowhere . . . with ghosts on my trail, chasing me there.)
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Was there some reason this couple with two six figure incomes couldn’t live on one and use the other to retire their loan debt?

While I agree than higher education is now one of the biggest scams on the planet, this couple have only themselves to blame for poor decision making.


10 posted on 01/15/2009 10:17:23 AM PST by Valpal1 (Always be prepared to make that difference.)
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Together, they make in excess of $200,000. If they rented a small apartment or paid on a small home and had low ownership cost cars to drive, then there is no question that this debt could be quickly paid off.

They are living expensive, rather than prudent, lifestyles.


14 posted on 01/15/2009 10:18:44 AM PST by ConservativeMind (What's "Price Gouging"? Should government force us to sell to the 15th highest bidder on eBay?)
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I went to a state engineering schools. Tuition was about $5,000 a year which I earned working as a TA and odd jobs. Housing was free as a RA and living in a frat (well, almost free).

Graduated with no debt. First year salary more than paid for all the cost college plus interest (ROI - 1 year).

Of course, I was a geek, spend many a weekend studying and my employer actually expects productivity and something of value.

15 posted on 01/15/2009 10:19:07 AM PST by 2banana (My common ground with terrorists - they want to die for islam and we want to kill them)
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Nonsense. Nothing increases one’s bankability as surely as an education. With few exceptions there is no greater obstacle to earning potential than lacking education. For every billionaire dropout like Bill Gates there are a million earning $35,000 a year.


16 posted on 01/15/2009 10:19:21 AM PST by Melas
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A 40-year-old Los Angeles resident, Kellum did everything he was supposed to do to get ahead in life. He worked hard as a high schooler, got into the University of Virginia and graduated with a bachelor's degree in history.

Where did this goofball get the idea that a degree in history would make him money?

This article is idiotic.

20 posted on 01/15/2009 10:21:49 AM PST by <1/1,000,000th%
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I have to say that I value a good, honest auto mechanic, plumber, HVAC technician or house painter as much as I do a good, honest accountant or lawyer. And to be candid I believe that one is just as difficult to find as the other and all of them are worth the money when you need them. Skilled and honest tradesmen are real assets to a community and I would have no problem at all encouraging my son or any young person to seek training in a needed trade. A lot of these tradesmen make good money and given the relative glut of degreed individuals in certain sectors make more than many who have submitted themselves to “higher education” in a lot of cases.


24 posted on 01/15/2009 10:23:32 AM PST by scory
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Articles like this make me so happy I walked out of college with only one ~$7000 loan to pay back...


26 posted on 01/15/2009 10:23:56 AM PST by Andonius_99 (There are two sides to every issue. One is right, the other is wrong; but the middle is always evil.)
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My Grandson had a similar experience. He said that he didn't see the value of a High school education because "it was hard".

We had furter discussions.

29 posted on 01/15/2009 10:24:49 AM PST by River_Wrangler (Nothing difficult is ever easy!)
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31 posted on 01/15/2009 10:27:03 AM PST by GalaxieFiveHundred
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12% a year? Since when are educational loans 12% a year? Something doesn’t sound right here.


35 posted on 01/15/2009 10:32:19 AM PST by RonF
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By the time they graduated in 1995, the couple was $194,000 in debt...and each landed a six-figure job. Yet even with Kellum moonlighting, they had to scrounge to come up with loan payments.

BS. Let's assume with both making 6 figures, they are clearing $12k a month (rough estimate, depends on state, etc - that and "6 figures" is very broad, so I am estimating from the low end, i.e. $200k per year, pre-tax). The student loan payments with 12% interest (as quoted in the article) would be around $2.9k a month over a 10 year term, or $2.3k a month over a 14.5 years. If they cannot live off $9k a month, they are mind-numbingly stupid.

38 posted on 01/15/2009 10:34:36 AM PST by M203M4 (Bill Kristol: Piltdown conservative)
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$194,000 in law school debt

Harry Truman never graduated law school, yet became a judge and President.

41 posted on 01/15/2009 10:35:40 AM PST by montag813 (www.FreepShop.com)
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They eventually married and each landed a six-figure job.

Uh, so why didn't they pay off the $174,000 loan? they had no kids, could presumably live in a $2,000/month house or condo. I put their (rational) joint living expenses at a max of $40,000 annually, including 2 car loans. Assuming their combined in come was $250,000/yr, what was the problem? and what kind of assclown wants us to feel sorry for them?

43 posted on 01/15/2009 10:38:43 AM PST by montag813 (www.FreepShop.com)
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