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Seneca Nation targets NY Thruway in tax dispute
Jamestown Post Journal ^ | January 13, 2008

Posted on 01/13/2009 6:01:52 PM PST by Dan Nunn

BUFFALO -- It appears the New York State Thruway will again figure prominently in a dispute between the Seneca Indian Nation and the state over cigarette taxes.

On Tuesday, Seneca President Barry Snyder outlined the nations response to a law signed by Gov. David Paterson that would ban manufacturers from selling unstamped cigarettes to wholesalers who supply reservation stores.

Snyder says tribal councilors are now devising a system to collect tolls of $2 per car on the Thruway, where it passes through the tribes Cattaraugus Reservation in western New York. He called the interstate an illegal, unlicensed business.

In 1997, the Senecas burned tires and shut down part of the Thruway following an attempt that year by the state to tax Indian suppliers.


TOPICS: US: New York
KEYWORDS: americanindians; govwatch; indian; newyork; nysfiscalblackhole; seneca; taxes; thruway
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While I'd rather have them set fires to tires in the thruway, I suppose this will be an effective move against NY violating Indian treaties. We'll see if it comes to fruition or if it's a bargaining ploy.
1 posted on 01/13/2009 6:01:53 PM PST by Dan Nunn
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To: Dan Nunn

There are a few of us that would send truckloads of tires.


2 posted on 01/13/2009 6:05:58 PM PST by xcamel (The urge to save humanity is always a false front for the urge to rule it. - H. L. Mencken)
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To: xcamel

I second that!


3 posted on 01/13/2009 6:07:32 PM PST by Dan Nunn
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To: Dan Nunn

Never stand between a liberal and a tax they are trying to collect. This simple fact trumps all so called liberal ideology on a host of issues. They’d have you killed to collect a roll of pennies.

I hope the Seneca Nation fights this tooth and nail.


4 posted on 01/13/2009 6:09:47 PM PST by headstamp 2 (Been here before)
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To: xcamel

I’ll supply the Gas and Matches


5 posted on 01/13/2009 6:10:34 PM PST by JimC214
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To: headstamp 2

Hint: Last time it turned into a shooting war..


6 posted on 01/13/2009 6:11:48 PM PST by xcamel (The urge to save humanity is always a false front for the urge to rule it. - H. L. Mencken)
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To: Dan Nunn

Another end run by the liberals to get undeserved money.


7 posted on 01/13/2009 6:13:17 PM PST by CriticalJ
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To: Dan Nunn

There are ways to deal with rioting Native Americans.


8 posted on 01/13/2009 6:13:28 PM PST by jude24
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...Seneca President Barry Snyder...

I think this was an episode of The Sopranos.

9 posted on 01/13/2009 6:13:30 PM PST by decimon
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To: Dan Nunn

Are they sovereign nations or not? Which is it? The leftwing, kook DemocRATS need to make up their minds. Count me in on sending them some tires!


10 posted on 01/13/2009 6:14:17 PM PST by FlingWingFlyer (CIA Director!....So easy, a caveman can do it!)
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To: Dan Nunn

I hope the Sencas win this one.


11 posted on 01/13/2009 6:14:47 PM PST by Shyla
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I hope the Senecas do this and NY State sends ALL of it's State Police to the area.

Maybe someone will count the number of cops in NY State and report it. I'm serious. There are more cops at the town, city, county and state level than anyplace else in the country. All union and they need the tax to pay their wages and pension. A conflict of interest? Nawwwww. They are dedicated public servants.

I'm rooting for the Indians, at the very least to stir the sh*t up in the Empire State.

12 posted on 01/13/2009 6:16:35 PM PST by Zuben Elgenubi
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Not only Seneca, but Poospatuck here on Long Island too:

Mastic tribe's suit: Suffolk cops harassed residents

Treaty after treaty has been violated against America's indignant people in the past, and this is no exception. Mainly the state is greedy for $$$ due to its long track record of waste and fraud, and so targets one of the few areas where increased revenue wasn't available - Indian Reservations - thereby breaking yet another treaty

13 posted on 01/13/2009 6:17:44 PM PST by Mr_Moonlight
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To: Dan Nunn

Patterson is an idiot. Relative to the number of residents of NY those traveling to the reservations to buy cigs is minimal. If he wants to raise $$$$ with higher tobacco taxes-he should just tack another $2 a pack tax onto cigs sold in the state and leave the reservations alone.


15 posted on 01/13/2009 6:18:09 PM PST by mrmargaritaville
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To: Shyla

I drove into that county multiple times about 2-3 years ago. Right on the reservation line was a huge black sign with white letters saying something like “Honor The Treaties.”

Happy New Year, Shyla! :-)


16 posted on 01/13/2009 6:19:05 PM PST by GOP_Lady
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To: GOP_Lady

Happy New year to you also.

Enjoying the weather??? Plfff...

We drive that way a few times a year. Friends of ours have cabins up that way. Beautiful area.
Of course, when time makes it possible, we make a stop at the casino and make a donation..... : )


17 posted on 01/13/2009 6:23:10 PM PST by Shyla
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To: Dan Nunn

In the old days, the Palefaces would cart in a couple barrels of whiskey and the Seneca Nation opposition would melt away. These days, the Palefaces of the NY Government will cart in a couple suitcases of cash. Same result, although the Seneca won’t get quite as drunk.


18 posted on 01/13/2009 6:25:05 PM PST by Opinionated Blowhard
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This transcript contains some info about what happened in 1997:
http://www.courts.state.ny.us/reporter/3dseries/2006/2006_51994.htm
19 posted on 01/13/2009 6:26:16 PM PST by NewJerseyJoe (Rat mantra: "Facts are meaningless! You can use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true!")
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While I'd rather have them set fires to tires in the thruway, I suppose this will be an effective move against NY violating Indian treaties.

It's not a violation of the treaties. The Supreme Court of the United States has consistently ruled that a state may legally tax sales to non-Indians without violating federal law or the "treaties."

20 posted on 01/13/2009 6:36:14 PM PST by Behind Liberal Lines
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