Posted on 01/12/2009 10:10:30 AM PST by randita
Monday, January 12. 2009
On "Hyperinflation"
Let's put this to rest right here and now. "Hyperinflation", or even "Serious Inflation" (similar to what we had in the 1970s) is impossible without a means to transmit the rise in prices into wages. In today's United States that simply cannot happen for two reasons:
As a consequence a hyper-inflationary or even seriously-inflationary spiral is impossible to sustain. Think about your associates, people who you know in the middle class. Now consider that a 10% inflation rate (moderately bad "serious inflation" ala 1970s) goes on for four years. This raises the cost of living for everyone by 46%. How many people who you know are saving 46% of their income? How many will survive a 46% increase in their cost of living? Such an outcome will result in half or more of America becoming immediately homeless, hungry, and as a consequence out of work. It will as a consequence crash GDP by 50% or more immediately which in turn will crash income tax receipts by a like amount at both state and federal levels. This will in turn crash prices, but at that point it's too late as now the price crash in turn destroys what remains of the business community and further crashes tax receipts, while at the same time foreign bond investors throw up their hands and say "screw you!", cutting off all foreign capital inflows to the government. Down that road lies immediate insurrection - that is, the violent overthrow of the government. You are delusional if you think the military could stop such a thing - 150 million Americans, maybe even 200 million of the 300 million in our population? Not a prayer in hell, even if all the Americans had was pitchforks, torches and a gallon of gasoline, and they don't - they have firearms, and lots of them. Even the Chinese, who are (by demonstrated act) willing to roll tanks over their own people would have no chance against 100 million of their citizens if hunger ever trumps fear. This didn't happen in the 1970s because we had vastly more union work representation and they were able to force wages to keep pace for the average working man. While the pinch was bad (I grew up in it and remember it vividly) society never degenerated because the self-reinforcing crash of production, jobs and tax income never happened, and as a consequence the sort of mass-unemployment, disenfranchisement and loss of essential human needs did not come about. Today the average working man works for WalMart or some other non-union shop and has no wage pricing power; ergo, there is absolutely no way to prevent the implosion from initiating. The government must not engage in any sort of policy that could lead to this outcome. Absolute protection at the top levels of government must be put in place to prevent it, because if this occurs then everything - absolutely everything - that we know and love about America disappears. This is where the Peter Schiffs and McHughs are wrong in their hyperinflation thesis and their "defensive" measures to try to do something about it (or worse, McHugh's belief that not only is this inevitable but that the government should intentionally cause it through something like a "money drop" to households.) They are wrong because if this outcome occurs there will be no United States of America, your gold will be confiscated and/or rendered worthless by executive fiat, and at approximately the same time an angry marauding mob consisting of half the population of the country will literally loot and burn everything to the ground. Vengence inevitably follows when justice is denied for a long enough or in an egregious enough fashion. We have seen this with Rodney King and now with the apparent BART assasination of a suspect in Oakland, and that was one man who was abused at the hands of government. Make the abuse half the population and there is a zero chance that civil and political order is maintained. Pray that our nation's leaders aren't stupid enough to set in motion such a course of action either by accident or under the foolish belief that they can "keep the outcome under control". Time is running out to demand and obtain justice folks. America's clock is literally ticking towards zero.
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Buying US Treasuries is like becoming Saddams best friend for life. Not so great, but where else do you plop ten million, a hundred million, ten billion dollars and not only have it safe, but a little profit?
That will be the tipping point...
I dunno, I see this all as being a GOOD thing. This is how we get our country back...
I dunno, I see this all as being a GOOD thing. This is how we get our country back...
Vista
Using algebra, couldn't we get this figure ourselves?
We know they're printing at 100% capacity.
I've even heard outsourcing to the Swiss?
Good luck to them on that. Its never worked when conservatives tried it.
“I dunno, I see this all as being a GOOD thing. This is how we get our country back...”
I think illegal immigrants are saying the same thing.
same situation here!
During the revolution the Continental Congress printed dollar bills, redeemed in Spanish gold dollars( although they didn’t have any, it was a lie ). When they first came out, a paper dollar would pay a soldiers pay for a month. Seven years later after running the presses, the same bill would buy a small loaf of bread.
The Federal Government will do, take, force, impoverish, print what ever it has to do to take care of those near and dear to it. And, we are not the ones.
And...
Giving away trillions ( Gee, I can recall when a billion was Big Bucks... ) of Everybody Else's Money.
This tells me:
1)- Money will be worth less ( or is that worthless? )
2)- We now have a Looter's Economy...
Thanks.
Think I’ll try ‘n start me a garden. Beans, ‘taters ‘n ‘maters first, then....
“They dont want the people to know how much money is actually in circulation.”
I think this is the key when it comes to hyper or runnaway inflation. The article’s author says, “’Hyperinflation’, or even ‘Serious Inflation’ (similar to what we had in the 1970s) is impossible without a means to transmit the rise in prices into wages,” I think is misguided. All that is needed for it to occur is for everyone to think their money is becoming worthless, and for them to get rid of it as soon as possible.
Have no fear, Zero's got it all under control!
“The first is that the typical American is not going to revolt as long as he has a roof over his head, and food in his belly. This was the single reason that ‘Ol Frank’ Roosevelt succeeded where Herbert Hoover failed.”
I don’t understand this point. FDR did not put roofs in over the heads and food in the bellies of the general population any better than did Hoover. What worked for Frank, in my opinion, was the beginning of “identity politics,” and the creation of coalitions of voters who depended on a particular candidate to get them goodies. But perhaps that’s what you meant in the first place.
“Liberal Cramer on CNBC says Obama needs to create inflation to start another boom.”
Of course. That’s what we’ve been doing all along, replacing old speculative bubbles and (”clusters of error”) with new speculative bubbles. How could it fail?
What’s that you say? It’s failed a million times already in human history? Well, be that as it may, we can’t just do nothing? What’s that you say? Yes we can? Okay.
So far I see deflation happening.
My children’s private school did not raise tuition for the first time in all 8 years by kids have been attending there. They usually raise it by 5-6%.
They are losing families due to rising unemployment/layoffs and therefore are trying to stem the bleeding.
"The long emergency and the struggle for America, through the Greater Depression and Civil War Two."
This country won't come through another depression intact, as a free constitutional republic of 50 states.
FDR created the Federal Surplus Relief Corporation, whose purpose was to do something bizarre. Even in the Dust Bowl years, the rest of America’s farmers produced far too much food, at the same time people were starving. The FSRC was to relieve both of these problems.
This drove prices into the basement at a time when deflation was already bad. A bushel of wheat cost 50 cents, and farmers were burning corn for heat. It was said that agricultural surplus hurt farmers worse than the Dust Bowl.
One of the first actions of the FSRC was to slaughter and dispose of six million pigs. As the saying went at the time, “Then Ol’ Frank killed all the little pigs.” This was done to help the most farmers at once, because pig farming has long been far more decentralized than chicken or beef. Even today, pig farmers will tell you that they always walk the razor’s edge with pork prices. A few pennies in the wrong direction could wipe them out.
On the other side of the coin, the FSRC provided hundreds of tons of food to government and private relief agencies to feed the millions of hungry people.
dalereed: Say what you want about “cash payments to people” welfare, but when people are starving, they will vote for the devil himself if he promises them food.
Hoover was right that his economic program would have restored America faster, but even though he eventually realized that food had to be redistributed, he hesitated just long enough that the hungry public turned on him with fury that still exists. Giving starving people food is not welfare—it is national defense.
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