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To: Tublecane
Listen, you smug bastard, the excerpts quoted in the OED are random *to our purposes*. I’m sure the editors chose them carefully. But they probably didn’t have U.S. law in mind when they did so. If they had, maybe they could have helped us out by including a local entry from 1789.

I thought you might appreciate a note from the "smug bastard."

I also recommend the OED's Introduction to you to. (Have you ever even held a volume in your hand?) You see what the OED attempts to be is a history of the each word (or phrase) in the English Language, very definitely including US usage. Unlike the paperback dictionary you probably use which has current meanings of words used by the unwashed, the major thrust of the OED is to enable us now to discover the meanings of English words at the time they were used. They do this by providing usage examples for the first time a word was used with a particular meaning. They invite people to submit other meanings and/or earlier usages to them (which I have done BTW, but not related to natural-born) so that as successive editions of the Dictionary come out, these histories are more accurate. The unwashed with their paperback dictionaries are unaware of all this, but now you are not.

BTW, if you don't want to read the OED Introduction and would be more comfortable with a trade book, I would suggest The Professor and the Madman, by Simon Winchester. (Note that this book may have a different title outside the US.) It's really quite a good book for people interested in out English language.

ML/NJ

134 posted on 01/08/2009 3:26:01 PM PST by ml/nj
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To: ml/nj

I don’t appreciate your note. I know what the OED is. I know what it tries to do. Nowhere in the definition you posted is there any “clear” evidence that “natural-born citizen” means what you believe it to mean.


136 posted on 01/08/2009 3:35:50 PM PST by Tublecane
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To: ml/nj; Tublecane
Deer Mistuh ml/nj:

Ah thinks ah am a memmber of "the great unwashed" becauze ah don't haz me a OED.

Ah was wondrin, if ah had me a OED, wud that make me souperrior likes you? If ah wuz to dizcovr the orrigins of Engrish wurds, cud ah gets me a guvmint job, or mabe be on the Soopreem Cort?

Ah am sory to bothr you, but ah needs me a job, and a bath. An I wood liik to be souperrior likes you.

143 posted on 01/08/2009 4:00:44 PM PST by browardchad
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To: ml/nj

“They do this by providing usage examples for the first time a word was used with a particular meaning.”

They TRY to do this, but obviously do not succeed in every instance, given that, as you say, they update themselves all the time. Nothing in the laws of nature nor the laws of God tell me that the usages quoted apply directly to the meaning in the Constitution.


148 posted on 01/08/2009 5:16:38 PM PST by Tublecane
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