Posted on 01/04/2009 12:27:20 AM PST by rabscuttle385
Republicans and conservatives are in jeopardy of being "educated" out of existence. That begs the question, why in a county that is over 60% Republican and conservative, do we allow our local school system to be run by liberals? Yes, while conservatives have slept, the local school systems across the country, including ours, have been completely taken over by liberals.
It is not only the liberals alone that have made this possible. It is also RINO (Republicans in name only) that have supported these liberal policies and made it possible for them to dominate the school system. Locally RINO's like Chip Baker, Richard Casavant, Joe Conner, Claude Ramsey, etc. are prime examples of politicians that have posed as Republicans basically to get elected while supporting liberal school policies and tax increases. They have been given their marching orders by the local liberal power-structure. They always support the HCEA, NEA, and whatever "…EA" that they can. What organizations can you name that are more liberal than those? Not many.
(Excerpt) Read more at chattanoogan.com ...
Let’s look at that “no choice but public” argument. Nothing here should be regarded as reference to you personally, tpanther, you just raised the issue...
Even a destitute single mom could go on welfare, stay home and teach the kids online and via the resources of a public library. Anyone too proud to apply for welfare ought to ask themselves if public schooling is anything but a welfare program.
In my community, the public school cost to educate a student is around $7k. I believe that’s more than welfare provides a mom and one child. Why would a person not be too proud to accept $7k from the govt, yet too proud to accept a lesser sum? And the $7k is to babysit and indoctrinate, things not necessary to life; while the typical welfare benefit is for things which are necessary like food and shelter.
Not advocating against the work ethic here, just exploring the logic. If a person tells me she won’t go to the govt for food and a roof over her head, but she’ll go for more expensive babysitting services from the govt so she can go to work and earn that food and roof...seems to me she has just removed herself by a single step from the same arrangement, only with the additional expense to the taxpayer and moral peril to her child.
ping
I’m going to pay for failed govt schools no matter what via taxes, my wife works at the school my daughter attends, the best one, if she didn’t, my daughter wouldn’t attend this school. This particular school isn’t perfect but overall it’s certainly not as bad as some we hear about.
Additionally, I’m a nurse and can’t get near the health insurance my wife does. Which is sad and another story...(Additinally, she’s had sever health problems in the past.)
We’re quite involved in confronting godless liberal PC when it rears it’s ugly head, mostly forces from without.
We always teach our children at home above and beyond what the school does.
Liberals should always be confronted.
I see. Well you deserve a big ole pat on the back! :D
I have the same question...where do we start?
Education system needs to be a BIG part of the objectives of the conservative movement.
By whom? Please be specific.
It’s an ongoing war...and while we’re at it what do YOU do to confront liberalism in public schools...directly...let’s see some of your “victories”.
Abandoning the public schools while still paying taxes on them isn’t the asnwer...look how well it’s working for you now!
You are 100% right. You cannot blame teachers for all of the ills in the world. Whatever happened to the PARENTS setting the tone?
My children are being raised with conservative values, as are their friends. I have also tried to teach them to be proud of their beliefs, and yes, there have been times when they have challenged their teachers and I am proud of them for it.
Do you as parents actually ask what is being told to your kids and talk about current events? I do every day.
Values are taught in the HOME first and foremost.
I like the last part of your post. Conservatives have never got that message across well.
I believe the voucher system pushed hard is easier to turn things around...its a sideways action. You waste a lot of time trying to “undo’ entrenched systems. The push is already there from inner city parents for voucher access...the charter schools (public) have long waiting lists.
Lets leverage the desire of parents to get the “best” for their kids...they will be the “change agent” and drive this forward.
Well it’s most certainly a personal choice and as I said, our school isn’t so much the problem as outside forces against it.
Speaking of logic it makes no sense to me personally to pay for failed godless liberal NEA run schools and abandon them.
If anything the monority godless lunatics should be forced to pay for both and leave the majority normal people alone.
Clearly abandoning public schools isn’t working.
Liberals should be confronted everywhere and always.
So, according to your posts, the government schools are failed.
Er...except the one your daughter goes to. That’s not too bad.
Except it is bad because you complained about the endless war you must fight while people like me abandon you in your hopeless quest.
Except its not hopeless - we should confront them!
Except it’s getting worse all the time.
You’ll excuse me if my head is spinning. What exactly wre you saying? You cannot have it both ways.
As for “confronting liberals” who said that removing your children from Orwellian inculcation and inferiror academics was a retreat? It is nothing of the sort! It is a different battlefield. A training ground which is used to creat adults who will counter YOUR children.
See, that is the point. That is THE ENTIRE point of this thread.
Your kids might escape the indoctrination but it is painfully clear most are not. Its getting worse, not better, despite all of your “battles”. It is the homeschooling and private school crowd that are producing the most conservatives, not the PS.
Think of the opportunities and positive interactions you are denying your children!
For what? $2500/year? That is the average full-rate tuition / yr. Hell, my cable bill is $1200/yr! My kids education is worth more than my cable TV!
You're paying for welfare too via taxes, no matter what. And welfare recipients get free health care.
Not GREAT health care to be sure, but free. And the public education is not great education, but free (if you choose not to work and pay taxes, it's REALLY free!).
So, if it's all about financial resources, I'd say you get what you pay for...and you DO have choices. You have described choices you made; you may or may not be very happy with them but they are choices.
Its working wonderful for me! My children are not being brainwashed. I do not have to de-program them every night. I do not have to worry about what they are learning, now, in the most important years of their lives. The years that make most people who the are and what they believe.
I do not like having to pay taxes on the failed system, but I am not going to make my children pay because I cannot lift a mountain! Your answer is to continue to beat your head on the castle door while you take on an army single handed.
My answer is to build a different castle and army.
It’s like John Galt telling Hank Rearden to shrug. ;)
We do the best we can, and we’re all on the same side...and trust me I do understand...if it gets worse, we’ll abandon the schools here too.
But right now we’re fortunate...for the most part our community is conservative, the school is actually educating children, both our kids are consistently on honor rolls, and as I said we augment their education. But keep in mind this is elementary school, and I’m very worried about middle school and HS.
I have a question, where do you that are abandoning K-12 intend to send your kids off to college?
Well, I suppose an argument can be made to do both, and perhaps both is in order, build a new castle, AND confront liberals everywhere and all the time.
I think you’ve hit on a key point. The Teacher’s Unions across the country have succeeded in creating a monopoly. They’ve used the “Certification” thing as a barrier to entry.
There are a ton of well educated conservatives, who would love to have a second career later in life as a teacher but can’t because the system is set up to prevent that from happening.
The single biggest thing we could do is petition Obama and Congress to create some sort of national teacher standards course that would take no more than a semester to complete. All teachers would have to pass it in order to qualify to be a public K-12 teacher. Once you did pass it, you could be eligible anywhere in the US.
Now you're talking! But why wait?
But right now we’re fortunate...for the most part our community is conservative, the school is actually educating children, both our kids are consistently on honor rolls, and as I said we augment their education.
Then what are you complaining about??? You started this off by complaining about how hard is was to fight the "failed system" and how you were "abandoned".
I have a question, where do you that are abandoning K-12 intend to send your kids off to college?
In the first place, I am not "sending them" anywhere. Part of my point in paying for a private education now is to ensure they can handle their higher education themselves. You build a pyramid from the base up, not the other way around. You find $2500/yr now to expensive but you'll pony up $50-200,000.00 for college later?
In the second, I do not believe in the myth that college is the only post-HS path. It is not. Not by a long shot. Its a lie we have been fed by that PS system your kids are in and the colleges.
Finally, there are a slew of good conservative colleges, mostly Christian or military. Look around. You'll find them.
Depends on where you are. In Georgia, since you already have a college degree, you might be eligible to teach, at least on a temporary certificate, now. See here and here for more information, if you're really interested.
Yes, but it is not an either or choice. My solution does confront them, in a more effective manner than yours.
Yours may confront them - and while you are, your children are given an inferior education and immersed in the liberal ethos.
You CANNOT undo it all. It is ubiquitous and insidious. Some of it will take.
You think the PS want you to pull your kids out? What would happen to the system if every conservative pulled their kids out of school tomorrow? What would the elections 15 years from now look like?
Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.