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Posted on 01/02/2009 1:30:04 PM PST by Red Badger
Can a car run on water?
Bend businessman Rob Juliano claims it can, despite ample skepticism from scientists and automotive experts.
Although the average price of fuel has slipped dramatically from a summer high of more than $4 per gallon, Juliano believes water — specifically the hydrogen contained in water — can be used to power an internal-combustion engine at a fraction of the cost of gasoline.
Hydrogen is being pursued as a fuel by car manufacturers. Honda earlier this year debuted its FCX Clarity, a hydrogen fuel cell vehicle powered by an electric motor. BMW has developed a car that can use either gasoline or hydrogen to power a traditional motor.
Juliano, however, is peddling something a bit different. Through his company — UnitedH2O.com — the 1984 graduate of Bend’s Mountain View High School builds and installs electrolytic hydrogen generators. They are small, footlong canisters that use electricity from a car battery to break water into its gaseous components, hydrogen and oxygen.
The gases are then funneled into the engine, where — due to the combustive nature of hydrogen — it is used to help drive an engine’s pistons. The process means less gasoline is injected into the piston cylinders, hence the car can travel farther on less gas, thereby increasing the car’s fuel efficiency. In other words, Juliano says cars with his system get more miles per gallon.
Lincoln City resident Linda Young, who paid roughly $1,100 to have Juliano install the system, says her gas mileage has increased nearly 65 percent. Her Nissan Maxima used to get roughly 17 miles per gallon, but the last time she checked, it was getting 28 miles per gallon, she said.
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http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/news-article.aspx?storyid=110531
I’d love to get my Suburban running on water! ;-)
I use it for cleaning up old parts and such for restoring engines, radio chassis....etc....
A good link for basic info.
http://antique-engines.com/electrol.asp
>>And if this worked it would do what to the price of water?<<
No prob, I live in Seattle. I could just put a rain catcher on my car.
But wait! the exhaust is water! I could just run the exhaust pipe directly to my “water/fuel” tank. A sealed loop!
Woohoo!
Adding the hydrogen isn't going to make more efficient... For more efficient combustion, you would want to inject the oxygen, not the hydrogen.... And unfortunately, that would take twice as much electrical energy to produce the same volume of oxygen as hydrogen..
>>Fortunately, these laws can’t be broken (with the usual disclaimers about present technology, presently unknown forms of matter, etc.).<<
I’ll have you know we break them on a regular basis on my home planet. How the heck do you think I got here?!
Unfortunately not all of us are privy to the technology so I can’t help you with how it works. I just know my pod uses it.
“The power of thermodynamics compels you!”
LOL!
This is the old “Brown’s Gas” scam that has been running for 70 years or so. It sort of works, but will never return the purchase price in savings.
I suggest using lead (better yet, the lead peroxide plates or rods from car batteriers) rather than steel for the cathode. If you use the periodic reverse process, make sure that the last step is to make the parts anodic. Also, sodium hydroxide with a little industrial detergent added in works better than sodium carbonate. If you get smutty parts, turn down the voltage.
It's not as simple as all that. Adding more oxygen than the stoichiometric ratio requires won't help. However, it is possible that the device in the OP delivers all the electrolyzed gases to the engine, in which case it's fortifying the normal fuel-air charge with the exact ratio of hydrogen and oxygen to get perfect combusion... no hydrogen or oxygen left over. I would think that this mixture would be extremely ignitable, more so than the regular gasoline-air mix the engine usually gets.
Every so often we have to rehash this. Remember the covalent bond of hydrogen to oxygen is very strong in water which is precisely why this is so energy intensive to break.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1781558/posts
There may be some here that like 'em on the smutty side.
NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO
Water as fuel violates the first law of thermodynamics. Impossible.
Splitting water into H2 and O2, and then burning the H2, is of course possible. But it would take more energy to split the water then you would realize in fuel to move the car. Meaning, you’d be better off just burning the fuel in the first place rather than using it to split hydrogen.
If your source of energy to split the water is electricity from a battery, you have the same inefficiencies.
Don’t believe this trash. It boggles the mind that some idiot journalist believes this hogwash once every year or so.
Mythbusters looked a device like this - and (like anyone who understands thermodynamics) debunked it.
Why didn't the Soviets build these devices? Why don't the ChiComs?
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But doesn’t the hydrogen-oxygen mixture burn at a much lower specific heat than does gasoline and air, much less gasoline and oxygen?
The only benefit I see (if that is correct) is that the spark plugs will last longer ;-)
Without trying to hijack the thread....good info DM! The idea of using rebar and sodium carbonate is cheap and available materials. I'm not a chemist, nor do I play one on TV. I do know cracking hydrogen from water is an art.....I do know enough I caution people when using electrolysis.
That sounds like John Galt's Static Electricity Generator. Tesla was also on to this atmospheric energy phenomenon.
The latest I heard, this scam artist is under investigation for fraud. The “buyers” (suckers) who paid big bucks for this corntraption were seriously duped and did not get even close to the results promised.
Or something like that.
Good lock with your work. My first job out of college was as the head chemist and engineer at an aircraft parts plating operation. Nasty stuff. Oh, I mentioned using an industrial detergent. If you do so, make sure that it does not foam. Foam will trap both hydrogen and oxgen and makes for a big, big boom.
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