There is a peace that is only found on the other side of war.
Posted on 01/01/2009 8:20:38 AM PST by GQuagmire
ISRAEL'S 2006 war against Hezbollah, the Iranian-backed terrorist army based in Lebanon, was a disaster - an ill-planned operation that did more damage to Israel's military reputation than to Hezbollah's resolve and influence. Now, as it fights Hamas in Gaza, Israel seems determined not to repeat the mistakes of two years ago
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I read some of that tripe on their boards to. Disgusting. How blind can these people possibly be?
Yeah....obama is more like a “figurehead”.....I still believe puppets behind him are running the show....
I have had as little as possible to do with massholes since college in the 60's, and they were pretty far gone even then. It appears that New England, like an appendix, serves no apparent purpose but once inflamed threatens the health of the body politic just the same.
And so you did! :)
Nice analogy.
Soros seems to be one of his puppet masters, a very frightening thought.
I don't think so.
"Do it once shame on you!"
"Do it 247 times, shame on me!"
LOL
There is a peace that is only found on the other side of war.
“...there is no need to worry about collateral damage with those in Gaza. They chose their leaders freely....it is not like they aren’t complicit. They are the “enemy” and should be treated as such.”
Interesting. This is exactly the same logic that al-Queda uses to justify their attacks on western civilians. Like you, they believe that we are all combatants because we elect our leaders.
By your justification then, our enemies are free to attack your family or mine because you vote. To reverse it, you have no justification to ever cause injury to civilians in a dictatorship since they have no choice over who leads them.
Personally, I can’t believe how dumb world leaders are concerning war. First, war is the LAST resort. That should be made clear by leaders. Second, if we are PUSHED into war it will be TOTAL and COMPLETE. We will keep what we gain and NEVER give it back unless WE chose to. Those should be the universal rules of war.
For Israel, Hamas has been lobbing rockets into Israel for the last couple years. They should have said, if one rocket comes after a certain deadline, that rocket will be the last straw and we WILL declare WAR. When that rocket came, Israel should have formally declared WAR on Gaza. From there they should have done exactly what they have done up until this point. However, nobody should be talking about peace.
Next, they should invade and subdue the population and achieve the total capitulation of the leadership. They should root out and destroy Hamas and they should set up an occupational authority. Next, they should either re-annex Gaza and resettle the population or make peace with Egypt as their only partner, cut Gaza down the middle, give half to Egypt and keep half for themselves.
WAR is WAR...people should get used to that...especially in the middle east.
And if Obama does try to interfere, I suggest that we real patriots and loyalist Christians, send a loud and clear message to Israel, by sending money and prayers supporting the Israeli effort; even if it's only a few dollars a week!
Are we not free citizens of the U.S ? Then lets not wait on Washington to do the right thing, lets act individually and as a group if we can! Christians: Stand up now!
I hope so!
On Dec. 27, Israel began "Operation Cast Lead" to stop Iran-backed Hamas in Gaza from continuing its years-long campaign of attacking Israeli civilians with thousands of rockets, missiles and mortars. Following are facts and figures to help journalists cover Israel’s defensive efforts in Gaza:
Iran-backed Hamas Rocket, Mortar Attacks and Nuclear Developments
9,400+ rockets and mortars fired from Gaza since 2003. [1]
3,200+ rockets and mortars fired from Gaza in 2008 alone. [2]
6,500+ rockets and mortars fired from Gaza since Israel withdrew from Gaza in 2005. [3]
543+ rockets and mortars fired from Gaza into Israeli territory during the ceasefire from June 19 to Dec. 19, 2008. [4]
28 deaths caused by rockets and mortars fired from Gaza into Israel since 2001. The dead include Israelis, Palestinians and foreign workers. Since the ceasefire ended, Iran-backed Palestinian groups in Gaza fired rockets and mortars that killed an Israeli-Arab construction worker and a mother of four who was seeking shelter in a bus station as a rocket warning siren sounded. [5]
1,000+ people in Israel injured from rockets and mortars fired from Gaza since 2001, including Israelis, Palestinians and foreign workers. Since the ceasefire, 44 Israelis have been injured and 200 have been treated for shock. [6]
20,000 Hamas troops Israel is targeting as part of “Operation Cast Lead.†[7]
750,000 number of Israeli civilians Hamas is targeting and can reach. [8]
15 seconds Israelis have to get to a bomb shelter once a warning siren has sounded. [9]
8 years that Israel has been hit by rockets and mortars from Gaza [10]
3 mosques in Gaza used as weapons, ammunitions and explosives depots that were struck by the Israel Defense Forces (IDF) during the operation in Gaza. [11]
4 UN Security Council resolutions passed since 2006 to try to stop Iran from enriching uranium. [12]
5,000+ number of centrifuges operating in Iran to enrich uranium, the material used to produce a nuclear weapon. [13]
Israel’s Humanitarian Aid to Gaza
179 truckloads of humanitarian aid that have been delivered through Israeli crossings into Gaza since the beginning of Operation Cast Lead, including basic food commodities, medication, medical supplies, donations of governments and blood units.
106 additional truckloads of humanitarian expected to arrive in Gaza on Jan. 31 [14]
6,500 tons of aid transported into Gaza at the request of international organizations, the Palestinian Authority and various governments since the beginning of Operation Cast Lead. The World Food Program informed Israel that it will cease shipment of food to Gaza because warehouses are at full capacity, with enough food to last two weeks. [15]
What Israel Gave Up in Hopes of Peace - Gaza Withdrawal Aug. 2005
100% proportion of the Gaza Strip evacuated and handed over to thePalestinians. [16]
300 square miles of the West Bank evacuated. [17]
21 Israeli settlements uprooted in the Gaza Strip. [18]
4 Israeli settlements uprooted in the West Bank. [19]
48 graves uprooted in Gaza’s former Gush Katif Cemetery, including six graves of area residents murdered by terrorists. [20]
9,000 approximate number of Israelis, including 1,700 families, who lived in Gaza and the northern West Bank. All of them were moved out as part of the withdrawal. [21]
38 synagogues dismantled in the Gaza Strip. [22]
5,000 school-age children who had to find new schools. [23]
42 daycare centers that were closed in the Gaza Strip. [24]
36 kindergartens that were closed in the Gaza Strip. [25]
7 elementary schools that were closed in the Gaza Strip. [26]
3 high schools that were closed in the Gaza Strip. [27]
320 mobile homes, ordered by Prime Minister Ariel Sharon, to serve as temporary housing for settlers. [28]
45,000 Israeli soldiers and policemen who participated in the Gaza withdrawal. [29]
$1.7 billion the approximate cost to the Israeli government for the withdrawal initiative. [30]
166 Israeli farmers who were moved out of Gaza. [31]
800 cows, which comprised the second largest dairy farm in Israel, moved out of Gaza’s Gush Katif community. [32]
$120 million value of flowers and produce exported annually from Gush Katif and lost following the evacuation. [33]
1 zoo, the “Katifari,†that housed hundreds of animals and was moved. [34]
10,000 people who were employed in agriculture and related industries in Gush Katif, including 5,000 Palestinians. [35]
60% proportion of Israel's cherry tomato exports that came from the Gaza Strip. Israel’s withdrawal from Gaza extinguished this economic resource. [36]
3.5 million square meters (almost 1,000 acres) of greenhouses abandoned in Gaza. [37]
70 percentage of Israel's organic produce grown in Gaza – another economic resource lost in the evacuation. [38]
60 percentage of herbs exported from Israel that came from Gush Katif. [39]
15 percentage of Israel agricultural exports that originated in Gaza – exports llost following Israel’s withdrawal from Gaza. [40]
$360,000 expected average compensation amount Israel expected to pay to relocate each family. [41]
$870 million approximate cost for Israel to facilitate the resettlement of former West Bank and Gaza residents elsewhere in the country. [42]
$500 million amount of money Israel's security establishment spent to relocate Israel Defense Forces bases outside the Gaza Strip and build new border crossing facilities. [43]
After Israel’s evacuation from Gaza…
430,000 West Bank Palestinians able to move freely within and between Palestinian-controlled areas. [44]
1 Israeli remaining in Gaza. Staff Sgt. Gilad Shalit was abducted from Israel on June 25, 2006 by Hamas in a bloody cross-border raid in which the terrorists also killed two IDF soldiers and wounded four others. [45]
1.2 million Arabs who remained full and legal citizens of Israel. All Israeli citizens – Christians, Muslims, and Jews – have fr freedom of speech, religion, press, and the right to vote. [46]
1.3 million Palestinians living in the Gaza Strip many of them in Palestinian Authority-controlled refugee camps, who live under their own leaders. [47]
820,000 Jewish refugees forced to flee without their belongings from Arab countries between 1947 and 1949, and who have never been compensated by Arab governments for their losses. [48]
650,000 Arab refugees who left Israel from 1947-1949 and still need Palestinian leaders who will end terrorism and the culture of hate. [49]
Israel’s withdrawal from four northern West Bank settlements created an area more than twice the size of Gaza’s 140 square miles under Palestinian control and devoid of any Israeli presence. [50]
Bracketed numbers [] are footnotes, which I did not include.
“ISRAEL’S 2006 war against Hezbollah, the Iranian-backed terrorist army based in Lebanon, was a disaster - an ill-planned operation that did more damage to Israel’s military reputation than to Hezbollah’s resolve and influence. “
The only war Israel lost in 2006 was the PR war.
The point i am making, is that Hamas was elected freely by a large majority of the Palistenian population. Hamas made no bones about the fact they wished the destruction of their neighbor, an independent and peaceful state. You can’t appoint leaders who openly kill and maim the citizens of other countries and expect to have immunity from retaliation. By choosing Hamas, they chose war, and all that comes with it. Show me where i am wrong.
A dictatorship is another matter when it comes to civilian casualties. The Gaza Strip is no dictatorship. Hamas is their freely elected government.
And frankly you are wrong about Al Qaeda and their justification for killing civilians. Al Qaeda wants to kill us because we are infidels. Not because of our elected leaders. Obama supporters and other appeasers will begin to see this soon. It doesn’t matter who we elect, we are dirty pigs to them who should be slaughtered.
Do i advocate the direct targeting of civilian centers. Of course not, it provides no strategic or tactical product. British General Harris tried this approach in WWII and learned it was not a fruitful task. But if i were an israeli, and there was a Grad launcher in a hospital court yard in Gaza, there would no hesitation on my part in striking it with the necessary firepower to protect my citizens. Even knowing it will result in the death of “non-combatants”. And in practice, the Palestinians facilitate Hamas and other terrorists on a daily basis, which makes them complicit in the murder of innocent Israelis, and in my opinion, justifies them as legitimate military targets in many cases.
To do anything else, is frankly, illogical.
I’d rather him be a passive president than an activist one (he is a Democrat, after all).
A Democrat President that does nothing... is survivable.
I’m not saying that your wrong on any count. I’m simply pointing out that you are using the same logic as our enemy.
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