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The DUI Exception to the Constitution
DUI Blog ^ | 2005 | Lawrence Taylor (not the Linebacker)

Posted on 12/31/2008 2:53:07 PM PST by Ron Jeremy

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To: Puddleglum
Since you are studying up on the Constitution, take a look at the following website: www.AmericasOwnersManual.com Then, let me know what you think.

I will appreciate hearing your opinion.

Cordially,

John

561 posted on 01/01/2009 4:27:37 PM PST by Congressman Billybob (Latest book: www.AmericasOwnersManual.com)
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To: Congressman Billybob; Puddleglum
You're right, that sounds terribly pompous. It would be exactly that, if it weren't true.


"No brag, just fact."
562 posted on 01/01/2009 4:33:02 PM PST by NonLinear (McCain failed to raise the money to project the message he did not have.)
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To: Paridel

One problem, and it won’t matter if you take a breath test or blood test on any other kind of test is that even if you’re under .08 it is the cops discretion as to weather to take you in for DUI.

DON’T TAKE THE TEST. BLOOD OR BREATH. It is your constitutional right not to incriminate yourself. That’s just my advice, take it or leave it. Do not get out of the car and take one of those, stand-on-one-leg, say you’re ABC’s backword, touch your nose while standing on one foot tests!

Oh,BTW, Some folks can blow .08 after 2 drinks. But what does that matter. It’s the cops discretion wheather to book you or not.


563 posted on 01/01/2009 4:44:25 PM PST by saleman (!!!!)
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To: NonLinear; fr_freak
Sounds like a hoot! Where do you apply for your Gypsy Card? !!

Well, I lost Teresa a few weeks ago. It is so sad it practically has me in tears when I think about it.

They had to leave town. They where just to “hot” for Vegas.

Let me explain.

The girls would make their money at the casinos on Friday and Saturday nights. At first I thought they were prostitutes when I first met them. I couldn't figure out how they were getting their money. They always had money.

After a lot of tailing them at night I figured it out.

They would get all dolled up and leave about 11 o'clock at night. Low cut dresses and fishnet stockings, the whole bit. They would go to the big casinos and play blackjack all night long. At first I thought they were really good blackjack players. But this didn't make any sense. If you play a lot of blackjack, mathematically you are going to lose money. After I really got to know them, they finally admitted what they were doing.

It is called “chipping”. They steal casino chips while they play. It is a slight of hand thing they do at crowded blackjack tables. All they do is create slight diversions (shaking your boobs worked well, they would do this in teams), and use their pinkie fingers to quickly flick chips into their pile. They are really good at it. Especially if the table is filled with a bunch of out of town drunk conventioneers. They can make $1000 on a good night.

I am convinced that the casinos know what they are doing. But they don't care, because the girls keep the guys at the table, because they are very accomplished flirts. Plus, they aren't actually stealing from the casino. They are basically doing the same thing the casino is doing, stealing from the drunk rubes.

So one night they were strolling around a casino, and they ran across this old guy passed out on the floor. He must have been rich because he was wearing a really expensive Rolex watch, which of course they relieved him of. Well, security saw them do this and chased them out to the parking garage, where they promptly split up and disappeared.

So now they are hot, and had to leave the city for a while.

It is so sad. For security purposes, they wont tell me where they went. Probably Atlantic city.

564 posted on 01/01/2009 5:22:54 PM PST by FoxPro (The SEC knew about Madoff, and did nothing.)
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To: muawiyah
Government ownership simply isn't required.

Yet you still advocate it.

Is there any chance that either you or members of your family belong to the United Auto Workers' Union?

I detect some similarity.

565 posted on 01/01/2009 5:28:58 PM PST by elkfersupper
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To: NonLinear

Hear! Hear!


566 posted on 01/01/2009 5:31:41 PM PST by elkfersupper
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To: Arkinsaw
You are of the impression that the DUI hysteria is just about booze.

It is not.

You are guilty.

This is a war against mobility and the automobile.

Until you realize that, you are part of the problem.

567 posted on 01/01/2009 5:38:29 PM PST by elkfersupper
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To: Myrddin
The breathalyzer is nothing but a rudimentary gas chromatograph.

With a universal assumption as to partition rate and no preservation of evidence.

How convenient.

568 posted on 01/01/2009 5:41:50 PM PST by elkfersupper
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To: Myrddin
There are limits.

And this is a huge problem that needs to be solved posthaste.

569 posted on 01/01/2009 5:43:50 PM PST by elkfersupper
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To: Myrddin
Having a LEO arrest a drunk driver is better than having him lynched by the family of someone he's just killed. Peace and due process.

Are you talking about the "drunk" driver or the LEO who kills somebody who should be lynched?

570 posted on 01/01/2009 5:46:08 PM PST by elkfersupper
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To: Myrddin
The only thing that keeps them off the road is jail or death.

Are you talking about the "drunk" drivers or the overzealous LEO's?

571 posted on 01/01/2009 5:48:22 PM PST by elkfersupper
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To: elkfersupper
You are of the impression that the DUI hysteria is just about booze.

It is not.

You are guilty.

This is a war against mobility and the automobile.

Until you realize that, you are part of the problem.


Whatever, no interest in visiting the county lockup and losing all mobility over a couple of drinks.
572 posted on 01/01/2009 5:49:29 PM PST by Arkinsaw
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To: Lloyd227

An excellent post, counselor.


573 posted on 01/01/2009 5:53:48 PM PST by elkfersupper
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To: an amused spectator
Salient point in the sentence: “Run over somebody...”

That would be either reckless driving or an accident, regardless of the drivers blood alcohol content.

574 posted on 01/01/2009 5:56:09 PM PST by elkfersupper
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To: slowhandluke
On the face of it, he law seems fair at .08. It's the enforcement that's badly skewed away from the constitution.

On the other hand, we always had reckless driving laws, why do we need a separate set for DWI?

575 posted on 01/01/2009 5:59:02 PM PST by elkfersupper
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To: Knightmixer
DUI, drug and prostitution laws are all analogous to gun laws. They all aim to prevent a potential crime or violation of rights. The problem is that there is no victim.

More true words were never spoken.

576 posted on 01/01/2009 6:01:48 PM PST by elkfersupper
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To: lentulusgracchus
The neo-prohibitionists don't want to hear that.

Excellent post.

577 posted on 01/01/2009 6:04:20 PM PST by elkfersupper
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To: saleman
DON’T TAKE THE TEST. BLOOD OR BREATH. It is your constitutional right not to incriminate yourself...

It would be nice (and constitutional) if it worked that way. I think almost all states have what's called "implied consent", where a part of your "contract" with the state to accept a driver's license is that you abide by all traffic laws. One of those laws is that you must submit to blood alcohol testing when it is demanded of you. To refuse is itself a violation that usually results in a license suspension of some period of time without any judicial process at all. And they can and will still prosecute you for DUI with the other evidence they have. I have never been there but as subjective as that other evidence will necessarily be, word games will be played to make it look very bad.

It isn't right at all but in the days when cars and driver's licenses were a new thing the courts at the time ruled driving was a privilege that could be granted or taken away as the state saw fit.

So we have civil type rules of evidence, no right to a jury trial, and so on.

Bottom line is if we want due process we have to demand our state legislatures put it into law. Lotsa luck there because it's such a great revenue source and control mechanism that states are loathe to let any of it go. The whole thing sucks because the state enforces it's traffic laws the same way it enforces all the others - at gunpoint.

578 posted on 01/01/2009 6:06:29 PM PST by Clinging Bitterly (Starve the beast.)
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To: lentulusgracchus
nobody likes a shrill harpy screeching in his or her ear.

Amen, and an excellent post.

579 posted on 01/01/2009 6:11:24 PM PST by elkfersupper
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To: expat_panama
If DUI is 'victimless', then firing a gun into a crowd is also victimless if the bullet happens to miss everyone.

And your point is..........what?

580 posted on 01/01/2009 6:12:50 PM PST by elkfersupper
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