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The DUI Exception to the Constitution
DUI Blog ^ | 2005 | Lawrence Taylor (not the Linebacker)

Posted on 12/31/2008 2:53:07 PM PST by Ron Jeremy

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To: OA5599
Friend of mine was riding his motorcycle East on Virginia 28, at the time a two-lane road. A C&P (now Verizon) truck was on the otherside coming West toward him. At the last minute the driver (a woman) decided she really needed to be in the other lane and pulled over and hit him head-on.

She actually didn't see him ~ no one does. This has a lot to do with the way the eyes work, how motion is perceived and analyzed in the brain, and relative speed, etc.

Nothing any of us can do about it. DUI, however, is a matter of choice.

521 posted on 01/01/2009 11:11:11 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: expat_panama

Amazingly there are people who see no reason to replace a failed septic system just as long as the crap doesn’t back up inside their house.


522 posted on 01/01/2009 11:12:14 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: Ron Jeremy; Abathar; Abcdefg; Abram; Abundy; akatel; albertp; AlexandriaDuke; Alexander Rubin; ...



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523 posted on 01/01/2009 11:14:23 AM PST by bamahead (Few men desire liberty; most men wish only for a just master. -- Sallust)
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To: an amused spectator
""Driving drunk" is a thoughtcrime. You haven't actually done anything to anyone other than violate a government-dictated "convention".

I suppose you are arguing that the amount of diminished capacity involved exists in the mind. That is fine, but the amount of alcohol in the blood needed to meet the legal minimums is so high it guarantees diminished capacity.

So I have no problem beating the living hell out of someone who operates with such depraved indifference to others that they would be willing to drive in that state. I really don't want to wait until they kill someone.

524 posted on 01/01/2009 11:24:04 AM PST by Uhaul (Time to water the tree of liberty...)
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To: muawiyah
Friend of mine was riding his motorcycle East on Virginia 28, at the time a two-lane road. A C&P (now Verizon) truck was on the otherside coming West toward him. At the last minute the driver (a woman) decided she really needed to be in the other lane and pulled over and hit him head-on.

I'm a little confused by this story. So you have a two lane road, presumably one eastbound lane and one westbound lane. Your friend was traveling east. The truck was on the otherside (the westbound lane?) traveling west. Why would she decide she really needed to be in the other lane? That makes little sense. Regardless of oncoming traffic being visible or not, she violated the rules of the road.

Someone sober who finds it acceptable to drive on the wrong side of the road is a hell of a lot more dangerous than a social drinker slightly above the limit driving home following the rules of the road. But I'm sure she didn't receive anywhere near the punishment as someone stopped at a DUI check point that didn't kill anyone. Afterall, it was just an accident she was driving on the wrong side of the road and as long as she wasn't drinking, that's okay.

BTW I have superhuman abilities. I can actually detect motorcycles.

525 posted on 01/01/2009 11:28:04 AM PST by OA5599
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To: muawiyah

Oh, and my other superpower is yes, I actually can understand Cannibal Corpse lyrics.


526 posted on 01/01/2009 11:30:51 AM PST by OA5599
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To: OA5599
I'm happy you can detect motorcycles. On the other hand I know numerous former motorcycle riders whose own personal sampling techniques yielded up at least one person who couldn't.

Now, can you detect motorcycles while turning left, holding a cellphone in your right hand, and holding a cigar with the left?

527 posted on 01/01/2009 11:35:20 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: fr_freak
You left out the most important element of the story: were the gypsy girls hot?

You tell me....

Boy, do I miss Teresa (The blond one).

528 posted on 01/01/2009 11:37:46 AM PST by FoxPro (The SEC knew about Madoff, and did nothing.)
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To: OA5599

Lots of cops are just jerks. I don’t particularly like cops, for a variety of reasons. And I work for lawyers who represent lots of DWI clients so actually DWIs are good for our business. However, I know how much they cost people - fines, court costs, assessments and treatment, lawyers’ fees, insurance, sometimes lost jobs. And it brings in a lot of money for governments. Just way easier to not take the chance of even having one drink and driving. As for registration violations and stupid crap, usually the DA will end up dropping them but you still have the aggravation of going to court, missing work, etc. It would help if we had more cops with common sense.


529 posted on 01/01/2009 11:46:00 AM PST by nobama08
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To: FoxPro

NOT GUILTY!!!


530 posted on 01/01/2009 12:01:31 PM PST by OA5599
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To: FoxPro
You tell me....

Wow, I never expected such a beautifully complete answer to my question. Bravo to you, sir. Bravo.

And yes, I could definitely see them talking me into lending them my car, or my house, or whatever. Especially the blond.

Good luck with the trial!
531 posted on 01/01/2009 12:04:52 PM PST by fr_freak
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To: nobama08

I know it’s all about the revenue generation. It’s certainly not to reduce fatalities. I mean, if most drunk drivers which cause fatalities have a BAC of >.16, then how does constantly lowering the permissible BAC help?

Then again, I’ve seen the logic of people in charge creating a solution before. In the navy, we had to wear hard hats during certain operations because someone chipped their tooth. Where I work now, management decided to change the locks after a contractor got into a room we left unlocked. Maybe those are the type of people we let write our laws.


532 posted on 01/01/2009 12:13:33 PM PST by OA5599
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To: Congressman Billybob

I agree, of course, that driving is not a right, but a privilege. If all that was lost was one’s right to drive, I would readily agree with your point. If one’s freedom is at risk, however, then constitutional protections are in play. (This from a 20 year practitioner with next to no criminal defense or prosecutorial experience.)


533 posted on 01/01/2009 12:24:50 PM PST by NCLaw441
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To: Paridel

“Then, see if you think we should only arrest people after they actually kill someone”

There are a lot of posts on this thread but I don’t recall seeing one, not one, that advocates not arresting folks who are actually guilty of driving impaired.

“I also know people who were killed by people drunk driving”

So? I actually know people killed by people who were driving sober.

Here’s an idea that I think would make the roads a whole lot safer. If you are negligent and you kill someone driving then you go to jail. Only exception is if you only kill yourself.


534 posted on 01/01/2009 12:28:08 PM PST by saleman (!!!!)
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To: saleman
There are a lot of posts on this thread but I don’t recall seeing one, not one, that advocates not arresting folks who are actually guilty of driving impaired.

Please look a little closer at the post I was replying to (#385):

"Driving drunk" is a thoughtcrime. You haven't actually done anything to anyone other than violate a government-dictated "convention".

-paridel
535 posted on 01/01/2009 12:32:12 PM PST by Paridel
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To: fr_freak; OA5599

Such exotic creatures.

I could write a book about the Las Vegas Gypsy girls.

Here is somthing I wrote to a friend of mine about the girls a few months ago:

***********************

At one point there were 5 of them living right next to me. They are very exotic and street smart.

None of them drink, smoke or do drugs.
None of them have boyfriends (the 20 something girls that is). I never saw one of them with a guy for a whole year.
They cant read or write.
They have their own government of elders, which basically acts as their own court system.
They don’t consider themselves as white people. They view me as a minority.
They have no concept of “getting a job”.
They don’t understand why anybody would ever buy a house.
They cuss constantly. Every other sentence, about.
They lie all the time, which is fine, because you would always know what the deal was. You would always know this was a possibility.
They go to sleep at sunset and get up at 2 or 3 in the afternoon. They are vampires and loved it when I called them that.
They are very racist, and really, really hate black people, Jews and Asians.

They don’t believe that stealing is wrong, except from other Gypsies. The reason for this is that they have been so persecuted for so long (Hitler tried to kill them all) that they view it as a kind of reciprocal warfare, like perpetual warfare. It is just viewed as retribution for all they have been through.

They would take me to all night pig roasts out in the desert (set up by the elders). About midnight the violins, tambourines and squeezeboxes would come out and the rest of the night would be a complete blurr, dancing around a huge bonfire. (the wooden keg of wine helped).

I will never forget walking out of a target store with Teresa. She walked out the “in” door, and brushed up against a female Target employee. The employee turned and said “Please go out the out door”. Teresa just started flaming, shouting “Do you want a piece of this bitch”, pointing at her crotch shouting “Eat this bitch” and “lick this bitch”. It was really quite amazing. Boy did I want to get out of there fast. To this day I can say to Teresa “Do the target thing”, and she will just go into this explicative laden tirade that is just uproariously funny.


536 posted on 01/01/2009 12:40:58 PM PST by FoxPro (The SEC knew about Madoff, and did nothing.)
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To: muawiyah
Now, can you detect motorcycles while turning left, holding a cellphone in your right hand, and holding a cigar with the left?

Hmm. Never tried. I'll let you know next time I go for a drive.

537 posted on 01/01/2009 12:42:05 PM PST by OA5599
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To: FoxPro

Wow except for the lack of drinking, smoking, and doing drugs, sounds like all the Polish girls I meet in Greenpoint, Brooklyn. A lot of them look like Teresa too.


538 posted on 01/01/2009 12:48:34 PM PST by OA5599
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To: Uhaul
I suppose you are arguing that the amount of diminished capacity involved exists in the mind. That is fine, but the amount of alcohol in the blood needed to meet the legal minimums is so high it guarantees diminished capacity.

No, I'm arguing that you haven't done anything.

When you actually do something, a rope and the nearest tree is good enough for me.

They don't actually string anybody up when the person kills or maims someone while drunk. This is the problem.

It's kind of like the lawyer problem. They stopped dueling in this country when they realized that they'd lose a lot of mouthy lawyers.

539 posted on 01/01/2009 12:49:46 PM PST by an amused spectator (u)
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To: Paridel

“Driving drunk” is a thoughtcrime. You haven’t actually done anything to anyone other than violate a government-dictated “convention”.

I think that statement is true. However, I still don’t think anyone’s advocating driving impaired. And if they are then they’re wrong IMO.

I know the article is long but I don’t think too many folks on this thread have actually read it. It’s kinda scary what the law and MADD have done to our liberties.

Back to my real point. Driving stupid is a hell of a lot more dangerous than driving at .08


540 posted on 01/01/2009 12:52:44 PM PST by saleman (!!!!)
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