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HOW FAR-REACHING ARE PRESIDENTIAL EXECUTIVE ORDERS?
SELF | 12-23-08 | self

Posted on 12/23/2008 3:39:44 PM PST by Jerrybob

So I'm wondering just what the POTUS can and cannot do with executive orders. Could Obama, for example, to throw out a hypothetical, really wild example, sign an executive order that does away with the Concealed Carry laws in all the states that have them?

Just wondering.


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To: EveningStar

If not, he oughta be! Begala is one of the most pathetic of all the Clintonoids, he lies, and lies shamelessly, he is a supreme horse’s ass (w/apologies to all the other more honorable horse’s asses).


21 posted on 12/23/2008 4:12:47 PM PST by mkjessup
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To: mkjessup

Scary indeed.


22 posted on 12/23/2008 4:13:13 PM PST by randomhero97 ("First you want to kill me, now you want to kiss me. Blow!" - Ash)
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To: Jerrybob

I remember the few days after 9/11, given another attack on US soil it could give POTUS the power to do almost anything if he felt it was a danger to himself, America or to prevent riots and hysteria.

Obama is already placing troops across the country quietly right now.


23 posted on 12/23/2008 4:16:19 PM PST by Eye of Unk (How strangely will the Tools of a Tyrant pervert the plain Meaning of Words! SA)
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To: Jerrybob
Executive orders are as binding upon members of the executive branch as are laws provided the executive order violates no law.
24 posted on 12/23/2008 4:17:14 PM PST by MIchaelTArchangel
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To: mkjessup
Seeing him and Car-vile side by side looks like a scene from Aliens Invade the Accountant's Office
25 posted on 12/23/2008 4:18:10 PM PST by Still Thinking (Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?)
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To: Jerrybob

There isn’t much talk about Executive Orders when there is a Republican President in office. This is starting to get repetitive.


26 posted on 12/23/2008 4:19:37 PM PST by Sawdring
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To: Jerrybob

Rapes will skyrocket.


27 posted on 12/23/2008 4:29:44 PM PST by BorisTheBulletDodger (Bang!)
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To: Still Thinking; ScreamingFist; mkjessup

Lads you almost have it right, but you missed it by that much. It’s - “Stroke of the pen, law of the land. Kinda cool.”


28 posted on 12/23/2008 5:21:57 PM PST by Enterprise (No Presidency for illegal aliens from Kenya.)
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To: Enterprise

Reminiscent of “Power corrupts. Absolute power...is actually pretty neat!” ;-)


29 posted on 12/23/2008 5:24:51 PM PST by Still Thinking (Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?)
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To: Eye of Unk

Bet they make great targets when they smile in the moonlight .


30 posted on 12/23/2008 5:33:02 PM PST by Renegade (You go tell my buddies)
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To: Eye of Unk
Obama is already placing troops across the country quietly right now.

For the moment, Zero can't order troops to spit let alone deploy them anywhere. Only the CiC can do that, and he won't hold the title until January.

31 posted on 12/23/2008 5:47:55 PM PST by AFreeBird
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To: Enterprise
Lads you almost have it right, but you missed it by that much. It’s - “Stroke of the pen, law of the land. Kinda cool.”

Well, the particulars not withstanding, it's still the mentality of a fascist, true?
32 posted on 12/23/2008 6:01:35 PM PST by mkjessup
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To: Jerrybob

George W. Bush (2001-Present)
EO’s 13198 - 13483 | Subject Index

William J. Clinton (1993-2001)
EO’s 12834-13197 | Subject Index

George Bush (1989-1993)
EO’s 12668-12833

Ronald Reagan (1981-1989)
EO’s 12287-12667

Jimmy Carter (1977-1981)
EO’s 11967-12286

Gerald R. Ford (1974-1977)
EO’s 11798-11966

Richard Nixon (1969-1974)
EO’s 11452-11797

Lyndon B. Johnson (1963-1969)
EO’s 11128-11451

John F. Kennedy (1961-1963)
EO’s 10914-11127

Dwight D. Eisenhower (1953-1961)
EO’s 10432-10913

Harry S. Truman (1945-1953)
EO’s 9538-10431

Franklin D. Roosevelt (1933-1945)
EO’s 6071-9537

Herbert Hoover (1929-1933)
EO’s 5075-6070
1,011 EO’s issued


33 posted on 12/23/2008 6:03:22 PM PST by Born In America (Warning: Use liberals only under close conservative supervision.....)
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To: Lurking Libertarian

IIRC, A presidential executive order becomes law, simply by it’s publication in the Federal Registry, bypassing congress.

http://www.lib.umich.edu/govdocs/jfkeo/exonum.htm
JFK Executive Orders

http://www.archives.gov/federal-register/executive-orders/clinton-subjects.html
Clinton Executive Orders
During his two terms as president, Bill Clinton averaged about one executive order each week. By doing so, he was able to effectively legislate from the Oval Office.

Just on Jimmy Carter’s last day in office alone, the Federal Register (a daily summation of new rules for the executive branch) was three times its normal size. The regulations drafted by President Carter and numerous lame-duck regulators earned the nickname: midnight regulations. By the time all the dust settled, it was estimated that President Carter added about 24,500 pages of last-minute regulations. President Clinton surpassed that record with over 30,000 pages of new regulations in the last 90 days.
http://www.leaderu.com/orgs/probe/docs/c-execorders.html

President Reagan came into office and put an immediate freeze on Jimmy Carter’s midnight regulations. But when it came time to begin to reverse these orders, President Reagan found himself thwarted by federal courts that ruled that existing regulations could not be arbitrarily ignored or revoked. Instead, they required that new regulations be crafted to reverse old ones.
(ibid)

http://www.archives.gov/federal-register/executive-orders/wbush-subjects.html
GW Bush Executive Orders
also: NSPD51
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2007/05/20070509-12.html

also, - Jerome Corsi, WND, appearing on CSpan, Washington Journal May 29, 2007
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dlB966zQIZ4
Bush approves new emergency act by Presidential Order (NSPD51 & HSPD20), “shadow government”, “economic integration with the EU” “control of govt down to tribal level”. NSP = National Security; HSP = Homeland Security - dated May 9, 2007

best regards, blu


34 posted on 12/23/2008 6:32:15 PM PST by blueplum
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To: Still Thinking
This is an example of why federal grants-with-strings must be stopped.

Undo the 17th Amendment and I think you'd have relatively little trouble with grants-with-strings. For years now I've been angered by the way my state's legislature dances to those marionette strings.

35 posted on 12/23/2008 6:37:57 PM PST by sionnsar (Iran Azadi|5yst3m 0wn3d-it's N0t Y0ur5 (SONY)|http://trad-anglican.faithweb.com/|RCongressIn2Years)
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To: Jerrybob

I’d love for somebody to bring up that the Bill of Rights is a constraint on the government. Second Amendment not allowing the federal government to infringe on our natural right to self-defense. That every federal firearms law is illegal, unlawful and unconstitutional.


36 posted on 12/23/2008 9:07:10 PM PST by wastedyears ("Life's tough... It's even tougher if you're stupid." - John Wayne)
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To: Lurking Libertarian
The Congress has the power to pass laws; the President does not. Executive Orders are binding only on the Executive Branch of Government, not on private citizens, and even then, are binding only if they are consistent with Congressionally-enacted laws.

Lurking,I don't mean to be rude, but those in office really, truly don't care about what is legal and what isn't. They rule by fiat.

37 posted on 12/23/2008 9:08:59 PM PST by wastedyears ("Life's tough... It's even tougher if you're stupid." - John Wayne)
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To: mkjessup; Still Thinking
"Well, the particulars not withstanding, it's still the mentality of a fascist, true? "

Hey now - don't get me started! :^)

38 posted on 12/24/2008 4:13:58 AM PST by Enterprise (No Presidency for illegal aliens from Kenya.)
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To: Enterprise

You don’t need anybody to get you started, I’ve seen your posts before, LOL (that’s a compliment)


39 posted on 12/24/2008 5:30:48 AM PST by mkjessup
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To: rightwingextremist1776
I think the SC would shoot holes through that after their ruling this summer....

In no way does the Heller decision imply that ccw laws are a part of the 2nd Amendment. They (the High Court) were pretty specific about that in their opinion. Nor did they put the 2nd into the status of "incorporation" which would force the states and local jurisdictions to recognize the federal mandates.

Any EO has to be published into the Federal Register for 90 days before it becomes law. Any state can oppose it during this time via the Senators or Congressional representatives. There have been EO's halted this way in the past, most notably during the Clinton regime.

I very much doubt that "O" is going to be successful in issuing such a restrictive order in a non-emergency situation. But therein lies his secret to a successful coup. All he needs is a huge emergency like a terrorist attack or a huge natural disaster like a tsunami that struck multiple states along the eastern seaboard. Possibly an economic meltdown that saw rioting in multiple states.... Come to think of it, I've suddenly seen DIRE warnings of just exactly this scenario taking place..... Think his minions in the media are greasing the way by prepping the populace for draconian solutions?

40 posted on 12/24/2008 6:20:03 AM PST by ExSoldier (Democracy is 2 wolves and a lamb voting on dinner. Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the vote.)
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