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To: tpanther; valkyry1; GodGunsGuts; editor-surveyor; Fichori; Arthur Wildfire! March; MrB; Tribune7; ..
...are expected to be strong advocates for erasing political interference with government research.

WTH?

So I suppose that this is an example of what scientists voted for because creationists gave the Republican party and conservativism a bad name?

They voted for a liberal because it would be good for science?

36 posted on 12/22/2008 7:03:56 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: metmom

Apparently you can liberal as all get out as long as you call it science


37 posted on 12/22/2008 7:40:26 PM PST by valkyry1
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To: metmom; All

Well, sure.

Sarah Palin, remember when the brilliant hollyweirdo Matt Damon wanted to know if Sarah believed the earth was only 10,000 years old and man walked with dinosaurs...???

That was his primary concern on rather or not she was “qualified” to be veep.

I mean nevermind liberals are so arrogant they think man has control over the weather.

I do recall the unhinged saying that Dick Cheney had a weathergun on a sub under the gulf of mexico and created Katrina to hurt all the peeps.

Or that they support the failed NEA and all it entails.

Bubba Clinton in a speech was blabbering about the poor and war and attacks on science...

I thought for a minute that he was talking about the issue with stem cells but that wasn’t it. Liberals and conservatives alike are somewhat split on that issue...

Nope.

It was about us knuckle-dragging bible thumping creationists like Sarah Palin that Bubba (or it might have been Biden?) was talking about.

In the liberal un-hinged world if you believe in God you hate science.

If you beleive in creation, then you’re essentially a scientific anti-christ.

So, naturally they’ll rail on and on about global warming. And they’ll pander to the messiah for money for their scientific endeavors...like the ones you read about on

www.cagw.org

...millions and millions of dollars spent on studying the reproduction of trout.

I love trout, and I’m all for them reproducing. But even us non-genius people understand it’s not about the trout.

Much less the science of the trout.

And the amazing amounts of money, which is certainly criminal by John Edwards own 2 America’s standards!

For all the squealing about religion being in science these insecure lunatics would be much better served by demanding that politics be removed from science. This is the evil that will destroy science far faster than a few believers wishing to teach their children, pretty much like they were taught in science class...you know way back when before the NEA killed our public schools.

And it won’t be long before one of them comes along pretending like the godless scientific ideology is the neutral conservative position too.

Making even Josef Goebbels blush.


38 posted on 12/22/2008 7:52:31 PM PST by tpanther (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing---Edmund Burke)
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To: metmom

Correction- it’s not obama’s ‘science team’ it’s rather obama’s propoganda team!!!

Al gore just fired a prominent scientist because the scientist stated that he no longer buys into the hype about global warming- Golly- htere’s some objective science for ya!

We’re headed down a VERY BAAAAAD Road with all this global wamring crap- and now, Obama has the full attention of another dolt that buys into the ‘man caused’ global wamring CRAP- so you can bet Gore is goign to ram home his global warming agenda full steam ahead without any impeeding scientific FACTS that CLEARLY show global warmign to be a purely natural cyclical event that has occured many many times over hte years, getting in the way. we are ALL going to pay very dearly for what amounts to one of the biggest scams EVER.


39 posted on 12/22/2008 10:29:36 PM PST by CottShop
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To: metmom; tpanther; GodGunsGuts

You may forward this on to your big list from #36-

Metmom, I’m surprised you’re confused about what they mean by “science” and “political interference with government research”...

It was obvious to me, in reading this quote, exactly what they were referring to:

EMBRYONIC STEMCELL RESEARCH
(creating embryos in order to kill them for research purposes)

It’s all about abortion and not allowing any value to be assigned to the conceived, unborn human. Embryonic stemcell research, and cloning to do same, removes all human value from the embryo, and by extension, the unborn.


42 posted on 12/23/2008 5:17:46 AM PST by MrB (The 0bamanation: Marxism, Infanticide, Appeasement, Depression, Thuggery, and Censorship)
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To: metmom

When you see the phrase “government research,” then understand the issue is federal money. Research has devolved into the pursuit of the mundane, the profane, and the insane, for reason that many in the field have careers and bank accounts tied to the government dole. Competition for federal grants is fierce. If a research department fails to spend funds acquired, it will likely be unsuccessful at increasing its share in the next cycle of largess. Research is about power, or the perception of power… it has never been about science. Science searches for objective truth, in spite of power. The “giants” of the past rightly understood that all truth comes from God:

Nicholas Copernicus (1473-1543) Polish astronomer. First mathematical system of planets going around Sun. Attended European universities. 1497 Became Canon in Catholic Church. 1533 Presented his system at Vatican. Pope Clement VII approved, urged Copernicus to publish; also by Catholic Bishop Guise, Cardinal Schonberg, and Protestant Professor George Rheticus. Copernicus never under threat of persecution. Referred to God in his works. Did not see his system in conflict with Bible.

Sir Francis Bacon (1561-1627) Philosopher. Established Scientific Method for discovery of truth, service to country and Church. Rejected atheism: “…a little philosophy inclineth man’s mind to atheism, but depth in philosophy bringeth men’s minds about to religion; for while the mind of man looketh upon second causes scattered, it may sometimes rest in them, and go no further; but when it beholdeth the chain of them confederate, and linked together, it must needs fly to Providence and Deity.”

Johannes Kepler (1571-1630) Mathematician, Astronomer. Early work on light. Established laws of planetary motion. Came close to Newtonian concept of universal gravity. His idea of force changed astronomy radically. Extremely sincere, pious Lutheran. Works contain writings how space, heavenly bodies represent the Trinity. Suffered no persecution for open avowal of sun-centered system. Allowed to stay in Catholic Graz as a Professor (1595-1600) when other Protestants had been expelled!

Galileo Galilei (1564-1642) 1633 Published controversial work on solar system, but showed no proofs of his sun-centered system. His telescope discoveries did not indicate a moving earth, and his sole proof, based on tides, was invalid. He ignored Kepler’s elliptical orbits. After debate with the Pope, Galileo placed the Pope’s arguments in the mouth of simpletons, thus offending his old friend. He was then forbidden to teach his sun-centered system, but he did useful theoretical work on dynamics. Expressly said the Bible cannot err. Saw his system as alternate interpretation of biblical texts.

Rene Descartes (1596-1650) Mathematician, Scientist, Father of modern philosophy. Roman Catholic. Retained deep faith. At 24, sought to gather knowledge in one system of thought. Asked what could be known if all else doubted. Proposed “I think therefore I am.” Sought to establish God’s existence. Only if God exists and would not want us deceived by experiences, can we trust senses and logical thought processes. Wanted his God centered philosophy adopted as standard Roman Catholic teaching. (Rene Descartes and Francis Bacon are regarded as key figures in development of scientific methodology. Both men had systems in which God was important, and both were more devout than the average for their era.)

Isaac Newton (1642-1727) Genius, innovator in Optics, Mechanics, Mathematics, Chemistry. Saw mathematics, numbers central in all. Devoutly religious. Considerable work in biblical numerology. Aspects of beliefs not orthodox, but thought theology very important. In his system, God essential to nature, absoluteness of space. From Principia: “The most beautiful system of the sun, planets, and comets, could only proceed from the counsel and dominion on an intelligent and powerful Being.”

Robert Boyle (1791-1867) Chemist. Founder, key member of Royal Society. Encyclopedia Britannica: “His will endowed lectures ‘for proving the Christian religion against notorious infidels.’ Devout Protestant. Promoted Christian religion, giving money to translate, publish New Testament into Irish, Turkish. In 1690, developed theological views in The Christian Virtuoso, to show study of nature a central religious duty.” Wrote against atheists. More devoutly Christian than average in his era.

Michael Faraday (1791-1867) Son of blacksmith, and one of greatest scientists of the 19th century. Work on electricity, magnetism revolutionized physics, and led to computers, telephone lines, etc. Faraday was a devout Christian and member of Sandemanians, which significantly influenced and strongly affected the way in which he approached and interpreted nature. Originating from Presbyterians, the Sandemanians rejected idea of state churches, and tried to go back to New Testament Christianity.

Gregor Mendel (1822-1884) Abbot. Laid mathematical foundation of genetics in 1856 (3 years before Darwin published Origin of Species). Unknown until 1900, when botanists, rediscovered him. 1860’s notable for X-Clubs, dedicated to lessen religious influence, propagate image of conflict between science and religion. Darwin’s cousin, geneticist Francis Galton, a proponent of eugenics, wrote how the “priestly mind” not conducive to science, while a monk made breakthroughs in genetics.

Lord William Thomson Kelvin (1824-1907) Physicist. More religious than average for era. Argued key issue in the interpretation of Second Law of Thermodynamics was explanation of irreversible processes. Noted if entropy always increased, the universe would reach state of uniform temperature and maximum entropy, from which it would not be possible to extract any work: “Heat Death of the Universe.” Proposed (with Rankine) thermo dynamical theory, based on primacy of energy concept, on which he believed all physics should be based. Stated the two laws of thermodynamics expressed indestructibility and dissipation of energy. Tried to demonstrate invalidity of equipartition theorem. Calculated age of Earth from its cooling rate; concluded that it was too short to fit Lyell’s theory of gradual geological change, or Darwin’s theory of the evolution of animals though natural selection. Used field concept to explain electromagnetic interactions. Speculated electromagnetic forces propagated as linear and rotational strains in elastic solid, producing “vortex atoms” which generated the field. Proposed these atoms consisted of tiny knotted strings, and type of knot determined type of atom. This led Tait to study properties of knots. Kelvin’s theory said ether behaved like an elastic solid when light waves propagated through it. Equated ether with the cellular structure of minute gyrostats. With Tait, Kelvin published Treatise on Natural Philosophy (1867), important for establishing energy within the structure of the theory of mechanics. (Later republished under title Principles of Mechanics and Dynamics by Dover Publications).

Sir George Gabriel Stokes (1819-1903) British Mathematician and Physicist. Established the science of hydrodynamics and the laws of viscosity. Possessed a deep Christian faith in era when many nominal, apathetic, or anti-Christian.

James Clerk Maxwell (1831-1879) Possessed a deep Christian faith in era when many nominal, apathetic, or anti-Christian. Encyclopedia Britannica: “Maxwell regarded as scientist of 19th century who had greatest influence on 20th century physics; ranked with Newton, Einstein for fundamental contributions.” Creationist, estimated Earth 20-100M yrs, upper limit 500M.

Max Planck (1858-1947) Physicist. Quantum Theory. Revolutionized understanding of atomic, sub-atomic worlds. 1937 lecture “Religion and Naturwissenschaft” expressed view God everywhere present: “holiness of the unintelligible Godhead conveyed by holiness of symbols.” Atheists attach too much importance to symbols. Believed in almighty, all-knowing, beneficent God; that Science, religion wage “tireless battle against skepticism, dogmatism… against unbelief, superstition” with goal “toward God!”

Albert Einstein (1879-1955) Physicist. Britannica: “Firmly denying atheism, expressed belief in ‘Spinoza’s God who reveals himself in the harmony of what exists.’ Said to physicist “I want to know how God created this world, I am not interested in this or that phenomenon, in the spectrum of this or that element. I want to know His thoughts, the rest are details.” On Uncertainty Principle “God does not play dice.” On religion “Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind.”

The above listed were men of faith, vision and conviction. Far removed from the money craving whores whom claim themselves “scientists” today, the “giants” of the past, on whose shoulders we stand, did not pervert science with a defiant moral relativism, for they sought the Truth of God… that Truth which is revealed in all His Creation. Today, we have prostitutes posing as men of science, men who hold disdain for divine truth, and a blind ambition for temporal power. So it is no surprise that such men are drawn to Barak Obama… We are drawn to that which corrupts us.

Barak Obama is a sock puppet for the “unseen” power brokers, the ego maniacs and their money changers, who have long worked their plans against individual liberty (or, more correctly, its illusion), in favor of the new paradigm... global collectivism. Obama is a magnet for those individuals consumed with envy and self-interest. He holds a natural appeal to those who see their share of the manna, and scheme how they may increase its size. Obama is a tool for the unseen powers in their ascent up the pyramid, to the all seeing eye of Horus.

Reference the meaning of symbols: http://www.crossroad.to/Books/symbols1.html


50 posted on 12/24/2008 6:12:24 AM PST by TCH (Another redneck clinging to guns and religion)
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