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Developers Ask U.S. for Bailout as Massive Debt Looms
Wall Street Journal ^
| December 22, 2008
| WSJ
Posted on 12/22/2008 1:08:22 AM PST by do the dhue
With a record amount of commercial real-estate debt coming due, some of the country's biggest property developers have become the latest to go hat-in-hand to the government for assistance.
They're warning policymakers that thousands of office complexes, hotels, shopping centers and other commercial buildings are headed into defaults, foreclosures and bankruptcies. The reason: according to research firm Foresight Analytics LCC, $530 billion of commercial mortgages will be coming due for refinancing in the next three years -- with about $160 billion maturing in the next year. Credit, meanwhile, is practically nonexistent and cash flows from commercial property are siphoning off.
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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Crime/Corruption; Extended News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 110th; bailout; bailoutnation; debt; developers; heckno; justsayno; no; nobailout
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To: do the dhue
The US will be beyond bankrupt in 2 years. We will not be able to afford an election in 2010. The US is NOT too big to go broke... and it ceases to exist when it has no treasure. hussein announced this morning, a new 1 TRILLION dollar stimulus... on top of those already in place or planned. Someone please stop this madness... of course... no one can.
LLS
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posted on
12/22/2008 4:19:19 AM PST
by
LibLieSlayer
(MERRY CHRISTMAS!!!! so sue me!)
To: do the dhue
You would think someone would fix the hole in the boat. No they wouldn't. Financiers couldn't care less if a product succeeds or fails so long as they get their cut. And they will happily let a boat sink if they'll profit from its sinking. What else do you think downsizing and asset-stripping is all about? Make a thousand people redundant, collect a six figure bonus. Financiers make their money when the going is good and make reckless (and heartless) decisions to maximise that return. They're not doing this for anyone's benefit but their own. As soon as a ship starts to sink as a consequence of those decisions, the financiers bail out at the first opportunity they get. The people who had to implement or live with their reckless decisions end up paying the price. J. Bruce Ismay, the M.D. of the White Star Line, escaped in a lifeboat (in defiance of the protocol of the time) while his own workforce (including Thomas Andrews who actually built it) did whatever they could to save the passengers first, and most of them went down with the ship. It was ever thus. The thing is, if financiers can't be trusted to police themselves then the Left says you have to use regulation. Regulation disrupts the free market so the Right are (rightly) wary of it. But, we didn't have any problem "regulating" consumption of alcohol by minors, jaywalking, or anything else that on the face of it should be left well alone. It strikes me as peculiar that we're OK with intervention when it's targeted at someone doing something we don't like and he's hurting a small number of people in doing it. We like intervention on organised crime even. But when it comes to entire institutions that operate in ways that hurt hundreds of thousands of Americans at a time, we let them carry on because the free market is sacrosanct. If the free market was REALLY sacrosanct we'd have no rules against loan sharking, slum landlords, car maintenance, recreational drugs, and we'd do away with rules that say you have to be of a certain age before you can drink or smoke. The crooks would have the whip hand but hey, it's a free market.
To: do the dhue
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posted on
12/22/2008 4:40:05 AM PST
by
M-cubed
(Why is "Greshams Law" a law?)
To: dennisw
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posted on
12/22/2008 4:42:13 AM PST
by
dennisw
("I’ve abandoned free-market principles to save the free market system” -President George W. Bush)
To: DieHard the Hunter
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posted on
12/22/2008 4:46:04 AM PST
by
M-cubed
(Why is "Greshams Law" a law?)
To: do the dhue
UNDERSTAND THIS. THERE IS NO DEBT IF THE BANKS HAVE LOANED CREDIT. They’re NOT allowed to do so.
The United States Supreme Court has ruled time and again against the legal authority for banking institutions to lend credit. Both Federal and state laws allow banks to lend money, but banks do NOT have the authority to loan credit.
When you use your credit card, the bank is loaning you credit, NOT money. They cant lend you something they dont have, and they cant charge you interest when they did NOT lend you money in the first place.
Banks do not lend money. They lend promises to supply money that they do not possess. So, if we can have no money without debt then if there is no debt then there is no money?
The Federal Reserve is not a government institution but a private central bank owned by a handful of major banks and bond dealers. As such, it is a cartel owned, controlled, and essentially for-profit driven, not by the people of the United States but, instead, by the banking industrys ruling elite. This oligarchic setup generates the most costly, debt-based, money system and greatest conflicts of interest in the history of the world. It is a system clearly at odds with the intent of the founders of the United States of America.
I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around [the banks] will deprive the people of all property until their children wake-up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered. The issuing power should be taken from the banks and restored to the people, to whom it properly belongs.
Thomas Jefferson (1743 - 1826),
Letter to the Secretary of the Treasury Albert Gallatin (1802)
Check my third post at http://auntiecoosa.blogspot.com for information on getting your own bail out of unsecured debt. It’s legal, Patriotic, and ethical.
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posted on
12/22/2008 4:46:57 AM PST
by
HighlyOpinionated
(Cultural conditions, not gun laws, are the most important factors in a nation's crime rate.)
To: do the dhue
Our family lives fairly modestly, pays its debts on time, and has a nest egg stashed away for college and retirement.
Where did we fail?
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posted on
12/22/2008 4:48:37 AM PST
by
Peter W. Kessler
(Dirt is for racing... asphalt is for getting there.)
To: DieHard the Hunter
The current economic problems were not caused by Laissez Faire” capitalism but was directly caused by government “managing” the economy. You have fallen prey to the current liberal meme which removes the government from all blame for the current crisis and then further claims that the only way to fix it is to give government more power. To quote the best president of my lifetime “government is the problem, not the solution”
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posted on
12/22/2008 4:54:02 AM PST
by
Durus
(The People have abdicated our duties and anxiously hopes for just two things, "Bread and Circuses")
To: dennisw
Where do I apply for this bling? Do I need a God Father in the Treasury Department? Did you *PAY* to *PLAY*? If you did not get to the back of the line. I think these *earmarks* come under campaign finance reform, in the fine print.
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posted on
12/22/2008 4:58:41 AM PST
by
Just mythoughts
(Isa.3:4 And I will give children to be their princes, and babes shall rule over them.)
To: DieHard the Hunter
As with every good thing in life, when taken to an absolute position Laissez Faire Laissez Passer can lead to some absurd outcomes. Like this one.
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Only those afflicted with terminal economic ignorance are so foolish as to believe the current situation is the result of “Laissez Faire” capitalism. What we are seeing is the result of government interference.
It is classic big government, first trumpet the existence of a problem where there really is none, then set up a government program to deal with it, the new program creates an actual problem where there was none, then call for more government action which makes the problem worse, then blame the problem on capitalism and call for yet more government interference. When will we ever learn? The more we demand university education for everyone the dumber people become.
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posted on
12/22/2008 5:01:07 AM PST
by
RipSawyer
(Great Grandpa was a Confederate soldier from the cradle of secession.)
To: dinodino
When will this bailout madness end? Is there anyone left we have yet to bail out? Homeowners. Wait until that starts. More than a few people will intentionally game the system to get bailout $.
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posted on
12/22/2008 5:07:50 AM PST
by
Fury
To: M-cubed
Prescient. And 42 years later, right.
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posted on
12/22/2008 5:10:26 AM PST
by
DieHard the Hunter
(Is mise an ceann-cinnidh. Cha ghéill mi do dhuine. Fà g am bealach.)
To: do the dhue
We go back to the future!
To: do the dhue
Can you say, Greater Depression Civil War II?
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posted on
12/22/2008 5:33:02 AM PST
by
central_va
(Co. C, 15th Va., Patrick Henry Rifles-The boys of Hanover Co.)
To: do the dhue
Again, just because they complete the product/project, doesn’t mean someone will buy/lease.
Let the market run it’s course.
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posted on
12/22/2008 5:33:07 AM PST
by
wolfcreek
(I see miles and miles of Texas....let's keep it that way.)
To: dennisw; do the dhue
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posted on
12/22/2008 5:46:50 AM PST
by
ErnBatavia
("Zero"..STILL using that stupid "Office of The President Elect" podium....)
To: DieHard the Hunter
That’s something with which I console myself: NZ voted Conservative after 9 years of the Reds. There’s hope for the US.
How long do you think this will last? How bad is the overhanging damage from Helengrad?
To: do the dhue
and the same people who create them claim they are the ones who can fix it.See: US Federal Government.
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posted on
12/22/2008 5:48:42 AM PST
by
Boiling Pots
(The USA has become one huge pyramid scheme. Thanks George, John, Nancy and Harry.)
To: wolfcreek
I figure that the commercial developers are asking now rather than waiting for Zero is because they've figured that he would turn them down. From their perspective, since Hank is tossing bailout money like a drunken sailor, why not ask for it now?
But someone's going to point out to the Obamanation that commercial real estate failure just creates nests for crime and drugs in the big cities. Further, those buildings won't have viable firms with jobs in them, either. I expect him to come up with their bailout anyway.
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posted on
12/22/2008 5:52:02 AM PST
by
hunter112
(We seem to be on an excrement river in a Native American watercraft without a propulsion device.)
To: DieHard the Hunter
Id have to guess that GWB and the Conservatives must have had a Scorched Earth Policy in place and waiting to greet His Excellency.
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Except for the use of GWB and Conservatives as one unit, I agree. W kicked the Detroit can down the road knowing that this first round won't change anything and that bambi will have to either pour good billions after bad or else turn his back on the UAW.
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posted on
12/22/2008 5:52:17 AM PST
by
wtc911
("How you gonna get back down that hill?")
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