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Border Fence is Progressing But It’s ‘Not the One Congress Had in Mind’
CNSNews ^ | December 18, 2008 | Pete Winn

Posted on 12/18/2008 12:22:07 PM PST by HollyButler

(CNSNews.com) - The $2.7 billion border “fence” authorized by Congress to be built along stretches of the U.S.-Mexico border is just over two-thirds finished--and should be mostly complete by the end of the year. But not everyone is happy with it.

Rep. Dan Lungren (R-Calif.) said the fence that is being built is “not the one Congress had in mind” when it passed legislation in 2005 authorizing a double fence combined with a patrol road.

The law Congress enacted specifically directed that “the Secretary of Homeland Security shall provide for at least 2 layers of reinforced fencing, the installation of additional physical barriers, roads, lighting, cameras, and sensors” along about 700 miles of the almost 2000-mile long border.

“We originally passed legislation asking for 700 miles,” Lungren told CNSNews.com Wednesday. “It doesn’t look like that’s going to happen. What we do have is a good faith effort on the part of Homeland Security under Secretary Chertoff to actually end up before he leaves with about 370 miles of pedestrian fence, and probably 300 miles of vehicle fence.”

The U.S. Border Patrol, part of the Department of Homeland Security, is overseeing construction of the barrier.

“We’ve just surpassed having 500 miles of fence along the border – physically there – and still maintain our goal of reaching 670 miles,” Border Patrol Asst. Chief Lloyd Easterling told CNSNews.com Wednesday.

“We anticipate having 90 to 95 percent of that done right around the end of the calendar year,” he added.

There are stretches of fence in areas running from the Pacific Ocean all the way to the Gulf of Mexico, but the Border Patrol spokesman admits it isn’t continuous along the 2000-mile frontier -- or even the eventual 670 mile length.

(Excerpt) Read more at cnsnews.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption
KEYWORDS: aliens; borderfence; donutwatch; duncanhunter; illegalimmigration; immigrantlist; immigration; shadowgovernment; weakbydesign
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Last week, the president-elect said he wants to evaluate whether to continue building the fence, in other words the fence project is over.
1 posted on 12/18/2008 12:22:08 PM PST by HollyButler
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To: HollyButler

All along the way, those who could not gather enough votes to oppose the fence use the power of their elected and unelected offices to undercut the project’s success.

The shadow government thwarted the will of the people and the legislators.

It is an act of betrayal to the people of America to a foreign power (Mexico).


2 posted on 12/18/2008 12:25:57 PM PST by weegee ("Let Me Just Cut You Off, Because I Don't Want You To Waste Your Question" - B.Obama Dec 16, 2008)
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To: HollyButler
Last week, the president-elect said he wants to evaluate whether to continue building the fence, in other words the fence project is over.

In other words, he wants still more illegals to pour in and depress wages of the U.S. working class...still further in the teeth of a Great Depression which is clearly imminent....

3 posted on 12/18/2008 12:28:16 PM PST by Paul Ross (Ronald Reagan-1987:"We are always willing to be trade partners but never trade patsies.")
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To: HollyButler; pissant; Calpernia; upsdriver; Tennessee Nana; RasterMaster; gubamyster

Thanks, I was just about to post this. There are comments by Duncan Hunter’s spokesman.


4 posted on 12/18/2008 12:28:18 PM PST by AuntB (The right to vote in America: Blacks 1870; Women 1920; Native Americans 1925)
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To: HollyButler

yeah, they are now ‘fiscal conservatives’...they really want to save us money...don’t want too much debt you know...yeah! That’s the ticket!


5 posted on 12/18/2008 12:28:52 PM PST by ari-freedom (Conservatives solve problems. Libertarians ignore problems. Liberals create problems.)
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To: weegee

Can the President not order the Army Corps of Engineers to build the fence?


6 posted on 12/18/2008 12:29:51 PM PST by FortWorthPatriot (No better friend, no worse enemy)
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To: weegee

“It is an act of betrayal to the people of America to a foreign power (Mexico).”

Yep.

http://towncriernews.blogspot.com/

Wednesday, December 17, 2008
The threat that is Mexico has FINALLY hit the media!

You know it’s BAD, when they finally report it. Last night, CBS Nightly News with Couric did a solid 10 minutes on the WAR in MEXICO that has NOW spilled over our borders.....More deaths than Iraq....more beheadings (even showed the bodies!)....5th journalist killed this year....citizens in terror...and ALL the stuff we’ve been crying about for how many years??

Well, McCain, et al’s PC immigration experiment has finally left us with what I believe is a terrible dilemma. We will be overrun with an exodus from Mexico like nothing this nation has ever seen. We will either take them or we will be forced to send troops to Mexico to work along side a corrupt army and police.

One way or another a lot of people are going to die over some people’s greed/ideology.

WATCH THE VIDEO!

http://www.cbsnews.com/

http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=4672298n
AND even Associated Press suddenly ‘gets it’

Mexican drug smugglers pose top crime threat
Associated Press
Dec. 15, 2008, 6:34PM
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/nation/6166344.html

WASHINGTON — Mexican drug traffickers who pair up with gangs and use a sophisticated network to smuggle drugs across the border have become the biggest organized crime threat to the United States, the Justice Department reported Monday.

Most of the cocaine available in the U.S. is brought across the southwest border by Mexican groups, according to the annual report by the Justice Department’s National Drug Intelligence Center.

Additionally, Mexican drug smugglers are increasingly working with Italian Mafia and other traditional organized crime groups nationwide, the report says.

“Mexican drug trafficking organizations represent the greatest organized crime threat to the United States,” the report concluded. “The influence of Mexican drug trafficking organizations over domestic drug trafficking is unrivaled.”.[snip]

MORE:
Unruly Passenger Forces Emergency Landing
A JetBlue flight headed from New York to Burbank was forced to make an emergency landing in Salt Lake City late Monday night (Illegal Alien......)

Air travel.....and this today about rail travel...

http://www.nationalterroralert.com/updates/2008/12/15/heightened-awareness-recommended-for-railways-operating-along-the-us-mexico-border/

GlobalIncidentMap.com Recommends Heightened Awareness For Railways Operating Along The US-Mexico Border

“Based on information from trusted Law Enforcement sources, we are recommending a heightened state of awareness for all railway operations along the USA-Mexico border, based on recent threats and observed activity”

Heightened Awareness Recommended For Railways Operating Along The US-Mexico Border
Submitted by national on Monday, 15 December 2008
Note: Special thanks for much of this information
from our retired border agents group.
Meet them here: http://www.nafbpo.org


7 posted on 12/18/2008 12:31:13 PM PST by AuntB (The right to vote in America: Blacks 1870; Women 1920; Native Americans 1925)
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To: HollyButler
The only thing Congress has on it's mind is stealing more money.
8 posted on 12/18/2008 12:36:29 PM PST by G.Mason (Duty, Honor, Country)
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To: HollyButler

So, why couldn’t we just do what we were told to do?


9 posted on 12/18/2008 12:40:33 PM PST by ronnyquest ("Those who hammer their guns into plows will plow for those who do not." -- Thomas Jefferson)
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To: AuntB

Well, let’s see, Obama can make Mexico the 51st state via executive order, make the Mexican Army the new Civilian Service Corp, and deploy the real American military under the control of the governor of the new 51st state to protect its southern border, and safeguard the evacuation of the new 51st state citizens up to El Norte.


10 posted on 12/18/2008 12:41:03 PM PST by TonyStark
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To: TonyStark

:<(


11 posted on 12/18/2008 12:43:22 PM PST by AuntB (The right to vote in America: Blacks 1870; Women 1920; Native Americans 1925)
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To: HollyButler

Important points about the fence:

1) Fencing the “corridors” is critical, because that is where the highest volume of traffic passes. This traffic cannot easily shift to other corridors.

2) Large parts of the border are essentially impassable naturally, as there are no roads on either side, no water or food, they are blocked to even 4WD vehicles.

3) The fence is to keep out Mexicans, not terrorists, which ironically could only be done by paying Mexicans a bounty to inform on non-Mexicans trying to cross the fence, which could be a highly effective and inexpensive trick.

4) The fence faces the law of diminishing returns. That is, it may stop 90% of potential crossers for the price, but to stop more than that, would almost double the price, so other techniques are more cost effective.

5) Much of the crossing or lack thereof is based on what the Mexican media is saying. They have great influence in increasing or decreasing efforts to cross.

6) One of the most extraordinary functions of the wall will be if Mexico declines into a violent civil war, which is a real possibility.


12 posted on 12/18/2008 12:47:17 PM PST by yefragetuwrabrumuy
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To: ari-freedom
yeah, they are now ‘fiscal conservatives’...they really want to save us money...don’t want too much debt you know...yeah! That’s the ticket!

But they just gave themselves an "automatic" raise.

Uh huh.

13 posted on 12/18/2008 12:50:46 PM PST by Publius6961 (Change is not a plan; Hope is not a strategy.)
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To: HollyButler

Come on, dems! Don’t you have enough new voters yet?


14 posted on 12/18/2008 12:50:52 PM PST by Right Wing Assault (What's Obama's Secret?)
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To: ari-freedom
yeah, they are now ‘fiscal conservatives’...they really want to save us money...don’t want too much debt you know...yeah! That’s the ticket!

But they just gave themselves an "automatic" raise.

Uh huh.

15 posted on 12/18/2008 12:53:10 PM PST by Publius6961 (Change is not a plan; Hope is not a strategy.)
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy; HollyButler
2) Large parts of the border are essentially impassable naturally, as there are no roads on either side, no water or food, they are blocked to even 4WD vehicles.

Frankly, I don't believe it.

Furthermore, I don't care about the expense and I don't buy the cost per mile that it is currently supposedly costing the US taxpayer.

I believe if a double/triple strand with road in between was put out to bid to private contractors the cost would be much less per mile than what are erstwhile congressmen and President are telling us.

Finally, with regards to whatever it costs, to my way of thinking, this is a good use of tax-payer money, and I fully support whatever cost to get the job done right.
16 posted on 12/18/2008 1:04:19 PM PST by SoConPubbie (GOP: If you reward bad behavior all you get is more bad behavior.)
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To: SoConPubbie

Who cares anymore? THERE’S NO WORK! You think these illegals want to STAY?

If anything, at this point the fence seems like a way to keep the illegals HERE, instewad of letting them OUT...


17 posted on 12/18/2008 1:17:42 PM PST by prismsinc (AIP works for ME!!!!)
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To: 1_Inch_Group; 2sheep; 2Trievers; 3AngelaD; 3pools; 3rdcanyon; 4Freedom; 4ourprogeny; 7.62 x 51mm; ..

ping


18 posted on 12/18/2008 1:27:25 PM PST by gubamyster
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To: HollyButler

Of course, he would rather keep Americans out of America.


19 posted on 12/18/2008 1:32:25 PM PST by rhendley
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To: HollyButler

That’s a good move zero. Over reach a little. 80% of the US citizenry wants the fence NOW! He’s playing into our hands with this sort of thing.


20 posted on 12/18/2008 1:52:56 PM PST by devistate one four (Impatiently waiting for the next tea party! Tet '68)
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