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To: epow

Can someone more knowledgeable about gun law explain why this is a problem? Is it too expensive, or so infeasible as to ban many weapons? I’m a firm believer in the 2nd amendment. I’m also a firm believer in giving law enforcement the tools it needs to fight crime.


4 posted on 12/15/2008 9:52:16 AM PST by domenad (In all things, in all ways, at all times, let honor guide me.)
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To: domenad
Can someone more knowledgeable about gun law explain why this is a problem? Is it too expensive, or so infeasible as to ban many weapons? I’m a firm believer in the 2nd amendment. I’m also a firm believer in giving law enforcement the tools it needs to fight crime.

Easy. The point is to make ammo prohibitively expensive and it's also a step to registering ammo like they do in Europe. Since they can't ban guns they'll try to ban ammo.

12 posted on 12/15/2008 9:59:28 AM PST by MahatmaGandu
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To: domenad
Is it too expensive,

Yes. The lasers required to do this would require a massive retooling and run at _LEAST_ 150k per Yag marker. Automation costs could be way more than that.

I’m also a firm believer in giving law enforcement the tools it needs to fight crime.

What makes you believe this will help solve any crime? It will be exactly as effective as ballistic fingerprinting. Look that up if you need to know just how effective that has been.

18 posted on 12/15/2008 10:06:38 AM PST by Malsua
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To: domenad
A company called "Ammunition Accountability" is pushing a law in multiple states to force the adoption of their ammunition labeling technology. The cartridge case, bullet base and box would carry a unique serial number. You will have to "register" to purchase the ammo which also carries a 5 cents a round "tax". In addition, on a specified date in 2011, you will be required to destroy all ammunition in your possession that is not "coded".

This is a blatant violation of the 2nd amendment and 5th amendment. When taxes were laid on ink for printing presses, it was deemed an infringement on the 1st amendment. The tax was overturned. Forcing people to destroy existing ammunition stock WITHOUT COMPENSATION is a direct violation of the 5th amendment "takings" clause.

Government has no business using the legislative process to further the commercial aims of this company nor to trample on Constitutionally protected rights.

Making possession of unencoded ammunition a crime isn't giving law enforcement a tool to fight crime. It's giving them a means of entrapment of law abiding citizens.

19 posted on 12/15/2008 10:07:47 AM PST by Myrddin
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To: domenad

My first thought was it would make ammo very expensive. Secondly, it would limit the freedom of ammo manufactures to run their business the way they see fit. My next thought was, why isn’t someone sponsoring legislation to limit the speech of the press? Because “shall not be infringed” is still in the constitution.


20 posted on 12/15/2008 10:08:11 AM PST by demshateGod (the GOP is dead to me)
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To: domenad
Can someone more knowledgeable about gun law explain why this is a problem? Is it too expensive, or so infeasible as to ban many weapons? I’m a firm believer in the 2nd amendment. I’m also a firm believer in giving law enforcement the tools it needs to fight crime.

This is all because some wacko in Seattle Washington has a patent on the process. He invested 200,000 in this. He has the patent not the applied technology. He can't sell it any way except to make this required by the govt.

It sounds very good on the surface, but once you dig deeper it is BS. This is just another backdoor way around the Constitution.

If you want to give law enforcement the tools, look at consequences, not intent.

23 posted on 12/15/2008 10:14:34 AM PST by PeterPrinciple ( Seeking the truth here folks.)
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To: domenad

Expensive, in the first place. Many of us also make our own bullets and reload cases. This would become next to impossible if not illegal.


24 posted on 12/15/2008 10:14:51 AM PST by SWAMPSNIPER (THE SECOND AMENDMENT, A MATTER OF FACT, NOT A MATTER OF OPINION)
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To: domenad

you for real?


29 posted on 12/15/2008 10:31:25 AM PST by CGASMIA68
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To: domenad
I’m also a firm believer in giving law enforcement the tools it needs to fight crime.

And I'm a firmer believer in securing people from unreasonable search and seizure, which serialization of ammunition is. The last clause of the 2nd Amendment is 'shall not be infringed'. What exactly do you think 'infringed' means?
35 posted on 12/15/2008 10:44:23 AM PST by JamesP81 (I shall give their President the same respect they gave mine.)
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To: domenad
Not only would it make the cost of ammunition prohibitive, it would also make the possession of unmarked ammunition illegal. It would all have to be turned in. For those of us who have been buying ammo to beat cost increases and avoid shortages this would amount to us losing, sometimes many thousands of dollars in personal inventory.

This is not a crime fighting measure, it is as others have said, a defacto ban against lawful gun ownership. This is the left's way of doing an end run around this past summer's Heller decision. They can't ban the guns so they will effectively make them useless by making it next to impossible to buy ammunition for them.

Your homepage says "the currency of democracy is blood." Do you really know what that means?

42 posted on 12/15/2008 11:12:57 AM PST by P8riot (I carry a gun because I can't carry a cop.)
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To: domenad
Read

you gonna mico-engrave every piece of shot in a shotgun shell?
what happens when the bullet deforms (as it is supposed to) and you can't read the micro stamp?
all sorts of issues with this type of law despite the fact it is just stupid

49 posted on 12/15/2008 11:54:06 AM PST by smokingfrog (I'll go green when they plant me in the ground.)
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To: domenad

” Is it too expensive, or so infeasible as to ban many weapons? I’m a firm believer in the 2nd amendment. I’m also a firm believer in giving law enforcement the tools it needs to fight crime.

Yes, it is too expensive. It is not in any way a means for LE to fight crime. It is only a means to ban weapons by banning their ammunition.


65 posted on 12/15/2008 1:58:27 PM PST by CodeToad
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To: domenad
So a criminal goes to the shooting range and picks up someone else's spent serialized cases to reload for his own use and...

... and then you figured out why this is a silly idea without me finishing the example for you.

66 posted on 12/15/2008 1:59:37 PM PST by The KG9 Kid
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To: domenad
Can someone more knowledgeable about gun law explain why this is a problem? Is it too expensive, or so infeasible as to ban many weapons? I’m a firm believer in the 2nd amendment. I’m also a firm believer in giving law enforcement the tools it needs to fight crime.

It's not a "crime fighting" tool. Criminals will simply bypass whatever paper trail would lead to them in the first place. Much like how they don't go through legal means to acquire the firearms.

Bull serialization is simply a step to prevent legitimate shooters from enjoying their sport.

Commercial ammo is already expensive. Implementing the technology to mark each round would make it prohibitively so.

80 posted on 12/15/2008 7:55:18 PM PST by LouAvul
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To: domenad
Can someone more knowledgeable about gun law explain why this is a problem?

Uhhhm...because it'll only hamper law-abiding gun-owners and not criminals? Criminals can make their own bullets or file the serial number away.

Is it too expensive, or so infeasible as to ban many weapons?

Didn't you read the article? The technology really isn't there right now for this. What ammunition manufacturer is going to spend millions of dollars upgrading their facilities to meet the law's requirements only to pass it onto consumers anyway?

I’m a firm believer in the 2nd amendment.

"I've been a Republican for 20 years BUT...." Rrrriiiiggghhhtt.

I’m also a firm believer in giving law enforcement the tools it needs to fight crime.

What about the firm belief in the gun owner to be left alone?

87 posted on 12/15/2008 8:29:30 PM PST by Extremely Extreme Extremist
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Just outlaw crime,,works every time. Criminals hate it.


95 posted on 12/23/2008 10:26:17 AM PST by Waco (Oath? What oath?)
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