Obama eligibility question -- nonsense or a possible reprieve?

Renew America ^ | December 14, 2008 | Michael Bresciani

[ckilmer]

December 14, 2008

Obama eligibility question -- nonsense or a possible reprieve?

By Michael Bresciani

Anyone in this country who mentions the legal suits now being brought before state and federal courts about Barack Obama's citizenship question is seen as a fluke. The most common retort is "the American people have spoken" but have they?

In fact the sixty seven million people who voted for Barack Obama make up only twenty two percent of the entire population of this country. Regardless of how they voted seventy eight percent of the country remains largely in the dark due to a mainstream media blackout on the subject that could just be the calm before the storm.

The real issue the Obama eligibility question raises isn't about what the American people said, but it is about what was said to the American people.

In short they were told even if only by omission (un-vetted qualifications) that Barack Obama was perfectly eligible to be a candidate in accordance with the Constitution. In fact with or without the much disputed birth certificate, he is not.

Having admitted on his own website that his father was a British subject automatically disqualifies him under the "natural born citizen" requirements of the constitution. Now cases similar to "Cort Wrotnowski v. Susan Bysiewicz" which is awaiting the results of a Supreme Court conference are popping up across the nation.

Main stream media conspicuously silent on these cases may be in for a rude awakening. Those who are raising this question are more often than not constitutionalists without regard to political affiliation. They will not cease to raise the question before or after the inauguration but should it be post inaugural it can create even more of a national crisis than anyone has yet imagined.

Many ministers and Christian writers have begun to compare Obama with the bible's King Saul. (1 Samuel 8:1f) The ancient Israelites wanted a king to rule them like the surrounding nations rather than a theocracy with prophets and judges. God gave them what they wanted but not before he sent his prophet to warn them that the price would be paid in the lives of their young being called to military service, high taxes, poverty and other problems that would hound them for generations. The rest is history.

The present court cases that demand the vetting of Obama's candidacy to state attorneys general, election commission officials, members of the Electoral College and the Supreme Court is much like the warnings of old time but at the very least they are a reprieve for a nation to consider what it is about to do.

The equation may be exaggerated and oversimplified but it goes like this. If our top lawmaker and defender of the Constitution is in violation of its most fundamental laws then perhaps we should open our jails and prisons and let all the law breakers go home. This is an absurdity of course but not totally untenable to common reasoning. It is the idea of such an absurd and extreme outcome that speaks to the extreme conflict the Obama eligibility question is asking us to overlook. Isn't that a lot to ask even for those who voted for Obama?

It is what causes many people to question Barack Obama's promise for "change" and a new "transparency." If by change he meant that we could start a new era in America where the constitution isn't important anymore then why shouldn't we all be frightened?

If we have come to a leadership based on popularity, personality, political slogans or anything that precludes our laws then we cannot ignore our own impending demise as a world power.

Finally it does well to remember that throughout history any nation that wanted change and was willing to give up its lawful foundations was always presented with someone who personally promised a new day. Some of those you will remember were Hitler, Mussolini, Stalin, Mao, Castro and others. Those nations did get a new day and it turned out to be the day they rued.

There is still time to answer or resolve this very important question. I can safely predict that if I know anything at all about the American people it is that some who love this nation and its constitution will not let this subject abate until it has been lawfully and publicly satisfied.

At this point it doesn't matter whether Sen. Obama produces his birth certificate or not. What should matter is that he has spent approximately $800,000 in legal fees to suppress or cover up a document that costs only ten dollars to produce. Obama's promise of a new transparency is mocked by this fact.

On December 11, 2008 I submitted a blog entry to the Washington Times article posted Dec 10, 2008 entitled "Justices to mull Obama citizenship again" that best summarizes my position on the matter. I am not surprised to see by the many emails I have garnered from this statement that others feel pretty much the same way. Many veterans wrote to say thanks because they felt exactly as I do.

"The newest cases have nothing to do with producing the birth certificate but are dealing with the citizenship of Barack's father. Even Obama has admitted that his father was a British subject. That admission alone says constitutional law has been breached.

Secondly we must not lose sight of why we are in this fight, it isn't about saving face. It is about the law. Obama and the DNC will continue to slur any conservative effort on any level at any time. I think it's better to consider the source and keep up the fight.

Lastly, How dare we ask our service men and women to stand in harms way to defend us and our constitution if the very one who puts them in harms way isn't in compliance with it. I'll take a little razzing if I have to for the sake of our young soldiers, sailors, airmen and marines. They have a lot more to lose than a little dignity."

[ckilmer]

Here is Gov (commerce secretary elect)Bill Richardson saying in Spanish that Obama is an "immigrant." (So he understands understands "immigrant" issues.)The context suggests that by "immigrant" bill richardson means "illegal immigrant"

Here in plain English is the Kenyan Ambassador saying that Obama is born in Kenya.

[Safrguns]

whats the news on the case they were supposed to review friday?
that comin out tomorrow? or did they already say “no dice”?

[Ezekiel]

Anyone in this country who mentions the legal suits now being brought before state and federal courts about Barack Obama's citizenship question is seen as a fluke.

[o_zarkman44]

Local Sunday Paper had a couple paragraphs on this subject. Pretty much dissing the constitutional question as if those asking were just not happy with the election outcome.
We arent sore losers. We just want to know we were beat fair and square. Obama could produce a document to the courts that would settle the question. Spending hundreds of thousands of dollars lawyering up to avoid producing a legitimate document makes the whole process very suspect.

Either way we go, legit or illegit, there will be crisis politically, on top of the financial crisis. How many people are willing to let it go to avoid unknown crisis and suffering, only to bring on the total re-writing of the Constitution to the benefit of a government monarchy?

Or do constitutionalists take to the streets civil disorder in opposition of unconstitutional government activity.

Or if Obama would be disqualified, how many thousands would riot in the streets because of that outcome?

If we don’t get it right this time there will not be a second chance as a nation. Either the law prevails, or the lawless will prevail. There is no other choice.

[SERE_DOC]

I am floundering for something to say in response to your post.

Perhaps you posted this just for the halibut.

[DMZFrank]

Hussein must offer proof beyond a reasonable doubt that he is a natural born citizen. He has been legally challenged. Rather than produce the requisite documents, he has lawyered up like a Mafia Don. He has spent over 800 G’s on three legal firms, and is thumbing his nose at many of the American people’s demands that he satisfy a basic constitutional requirement. He has insulted our intelligence by proffering an obviously fraudulent Hawaiian Certification of Live Birth as proof of his natural born status, despite the criminal ramifications of such actions.

Three presidential candidates have had their constitutional eligibility challenged in the 20th and 21st centuries, Barry Goldwater, George Romney, and John McCain. All of these men produced the requested documentation for legal analysis. None of them hid behind surrogates and all of them at one time or other addressed the issue in public. None of them relied exclusively on surrogates to speak for them on this matter. There is a reason as to why he does not address this issue directly. If he does, it is news. Even the MSM will cover THAT. That is why discussion of it is always done thru surrogates. He does not want to contaminate the “jury pool” that is the electoral college. If he loses 35 electors who are willing to honor their oath to the constitution, then Hussein will not be president elect. THAT is why he will not discuss this issue.

Far more damage will be done to the country if a usurper is allowed to take office, subsequently shown to be ineligible after having signed legislation, initiated ratified treaties, made appointments to US offices, ordered troop movements, only to have all those official acts reversed after the truth comes out. I would rather deal with the riots attendant on keeping him out of office than face a civil war. That war will not be a War Between the States like our affair in the mid 19th Century, where one faction wanted to secede and leave the Fed Gov intact. Both sides, with the exception of Guerrilla skirmishes in the border states, faced off using Napoleonic era tactics with clearly delineated borders. This conflict would be an intermingled inter and intrastate struggle over who controls the government. It would be ugly and probably brutal beyond belief. We must do all that we can do NOW to prevent such a hideous possibility.

If it is apparent beyond reasonable doubt that Hussein is not a natural born citizen, then we must look to any and all legal and constitutional actions to deny him the presidency. If the constitution of the US is not worth defending against mob rule, then nothing is. If we wish to preserve the republic, than we had best let the chips fall, and then sort them out. By whatever means necessary.

We who value the constitution will not allow the moral emphasis of this argument to be inverted. All this speculation, correct or not; has come about because this lying crypto-marxist thug from the most corrupt environs of leftist Chicago sewer politics has ascended to POTUS-elect status with the willing acquiescence of the MSM. The MSM was hell-bent on concealing this usurper’s background because they wanted him to be elected. Now, in a classic case of blame the messenger, those of us who believe in the constitution are being reviled for insisting that a POTUS comply with a basic requirement that most of us unhesitatingly conform with when seeking a driver’s license.

Ask yourself, what kind of narcissistic, self absorbed individual rends the public tranquility like this when the remedy is so easy for a legitimate candidate? The arrogance and effrontery of this man is breathtaking. The founders knew that they were not natural born citizens, so they had to include language in Art II Sec 1 that exempted THEM. Does this fraud think that he is better than Washington, Madison, Adams, and Jefferson in that sense? Apparently he does, and with the acquiescence of enough people, he will succeed in usurping and corrupting the Executive Branch of government. This situation presents the very real possibility of impelling this great nation beyond a constitutional crisis toward a civil war.

Many decry us for undertaking a hopelessly Quixotic enterprise, doomed to failure. Perhaps so. Therefore, I recall you to a time when a group of men, who were attempting to bring a new vision of liberty and democratic republican governance to the world vowed their lives, their fortunes and their sacred honor to that task. Yes, the group of men who were the Founders. I believe that Barack Obama is a unique domestic threat to the republic that they founded that I have never seen before in my lifetime. Hussein is a man who has stated his contempt for a “fundamentally flawed” constitution. I believe that he is prepared, by dint of education and inclination, to destroy or significantly weaken it. He could be our version of Julius Ceasar, a precursor to the end of our Republic, unless we oppose vigorously oppose him NOW before he gets into office. (If he can prove his natural born status, then I will accept that and oppose him on policy being CERTAIN that I will have to owing to his already professed world view)

Finally, consider the implications of a man who would undertake these devious machinations to knowingly assume an office that he has no constitutional claim to, and than to see this same counterfeit president elect take an oath to defend that constitution. I believe that such a man would be willing to impose ANY sort or despotism or tyranny upon us to retain power.

[The Cajun]

Bogus Barry is starting to look like a manufactured person from a manufactured family. The real question is who did the manufacturing. CIA, KGB, Chicoms, ......etc. Lots of clues, but nobody with any authority or capability wants to investigate. Very surreal indeed.

[Getsmart64]

Rather than produce the requisite documents, he has lawyered up like a Mafia Don. He has spent over 800 G’s on three legal firms

I've seen this posted in quite a few threads here on FR....anyone have anything that backs up the $800K claim?

[JohnnyP]

Anyone have anything that backs up Obama’s claim of change we can believe in?

[Freedom56v2]

bump to read later

[Ezekiel]

Perhaps you posted this just for the halibut.

This is the right plaice for it. ;-)

[DaveTesla]

http://www.hawaiifreepress.com/main/ArticlesMain/tabid/56/articleType/ArticleView/articleId/75/Obamas-CAIR-Lawyer.aspx

Tuesday, October 07, 2008
Obama’s CAIR Lawyer
By Andrew Walden @ 12:51 AM :: 215 Views
A Hillary Clinton supporter and former Pennsylvania Deputy Attorney General named Philip Berg is suing Senator Barack Obama in a Philadelphia Federal Court. Berg’s suit, filed in August, wants Obama to produce his birth certificate claiming he does not meet the citizenship requirement to be President. Rather than just product the birth certificate in Court, Obama’s legal team September 27 filed a motion to dismiss. One of the lawyers filing the motion was Joe Sandler of the Washington law firm Sandler, Reiff, and Young.

Sandler is an interesting choice because he has worked for the Council of American-Islamic Relations (CAIR) in several attempts to intimidate organizations and silence speakers. CAIR is an organization with terrorist ties, and has been as an un-indicted co-conspirator in the Holy Land Foundation Hamas Funding trial now being re-heard in Dallas, Texas.

In 2007 Sandler sent a threatening letter to the Young Americas Foundation in an effort to intimidate YAF into retracting a speaking invitation to terrorism researcher Robert Spencer. Sandler followed up with a threatening letter to www.Townhall.com columnist Mike Adams for writing about the Spencer incident.

[DaveTesla]

Ping to the above
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2148872/posts?page=12#12

[SkipW]

Arrogance and effrontery? You bet! These are characteristics of Obama, but basically the man is insane. His abysmally ignorant supporters want to start work on placing his face on Mount Rushmore. He created his own emblem for his plane when he was nothing more than a candidate for POTUS. These are clear indications that he is deranged.

He will do anything to become president. Already he has created a crisis that will almost surely result in bloodshed in the streets of America. I agree that the conflict will be brutal and no holds barred. I just wonder whether the current crop of emasculated graduates of the public school systems will defend this nation. I don’t think that they will, but they may be used as cannon fodder for “The One.” Lots of people in America will fight to become slaves of the government because tey want to be taken care of. God help us.

[nominal]

1 Samuel 8 - wow, I completely missed that. More than one parallel in that one, not to mention the ‘be like all the nations’.

DaveTesla: Thanks for that lawyer link, I was looking for that.

[Getsmart64]

Ok...but where does it mention the $800K? Does Obama keep this law firm on retainer? I’ve just seen the $800K figure tossed around here but nothing in concrete stating that he has paid $800K protecting his BC.

[Eye of Unk]

Actually I think that is an outdated figure, I thinks its somewhere around $1.1 million, since its an ongoing effort on a daily basis I think Obama is paying thousands if not tens of thousands of dollars daily to keep a squad of lawyers busy to keep the doors shut on requests from all over the earth about his history.

All of his history has padlocks on it, it requires lots of money for moderately capable lawyers to keep them busy.

[nominal]

http://www.opensecrets.org/parties/expenddetail.php?cmte=DNC&txt=SANDLER%2C+REIFF+%26+YOUNG%2C+PC&cycle=2008

DNC committee expenditures for the Sandler, Reiff, Young firm mentioned above. That’s ~$200,000 right there, though the expenditures don’t mention the details of the work being paid for, of course. I don’t know what the other 2 law firm names are.

[RightOnline]

A corollary to Occam’s Razor: He who hides something simply has something to hide.

[DaveTesla]

I can easily spend that in a couple of months.

But as you may suspect, big Washington Law firms are free!