Posted on 12/13/2008 10:31:50 AM PST by ckilmer
The amazing thing about Obama is that he hasn't even produced the basic records a regular person needs to get a school bus driver's job.
Yes, I would like to see that public court case record you claimed.
LOL
And I’d like to see anything proving that Obama was born outside the country. That first, then I’ll look up the court records. Until then, I won’t believe that even you actually take any of this seriously.
“The amazing thing about Obama is that he hasn’t even produced the basic records a regular person needs to get a school bus driver’s job.”
Umm, that COLB is apparently good enough to get him a passport, I’ve read. But that’s irrelevant. I want proof that Obama wasn’t born Hawaii before I post about anything else anymore, because everything else is nothing but a distraction.
I'm afraid you've got our respective positions confused. I am the one demanding evidence of birth in Hawaii, not evidence of registration in Hawaii of a birth which may have taken place anywhere on Earth.
You are the one resorting to faith in stating that the COLB, even if it exists (and we don't know because we haven't seen it for some odd reason), somehow infers something it does not prove, namely his physical place of birth.
So I ask you for one single piece of evidence that Barry was born in Hawaii, and not that his birth was just registered there by his flakey commie mommie after the fact, lest you stand convicted of believing orthodoxy for orthodoxy's sake alone.
Very slick move. I’m not biting, though. You see, you are the one making the allegation that Obama was not born in Hawaii. It is your responsibility to prove that he wasn’t. I’m not playing anymore games with you CertifiTruthers. I will not talk about anything else until you produce even the slightest bit of evidence pointing to a birth outside of the boundaries of the United States. Put up or shut up.
No, I am the one asking for one single piece of evidence of his birth *anywhere*. None has been forthcoming.
Come on, if you believe something so strongly, you must have proof of it, right?
Hundreds of posts and it all comes down to this: can any single CeritifiTruther stop distracting from the real issues and produce a single shred of evidence that would make anyone believe them? Tune in next week (okay, maybe Saturday), same nut time, same nut channel.
Your intentions, in my opinion, are to misdirect, obfuscate and obscure the plain inescapable facts that have already been well established. I could be wrong after all I am a joke but we shall see who is laughing after this issue is resolved.
Obama exists. There’s your proof of his birth “anywhere”. Now quit acting like you’re objective and prove he was born outside the US.
You are a troll. However, I will continue this ridiculous dance with you for the sake of lurkers. Logic is my only tool, truth is my only goal. Now, let's proceed again, and this time, no sidestepping or twisting or omission from you, Obama supporter.
One cannot prove a negative, one can only prove a positive. Your assertion is that Obama was born in Hawaii. I make no assertion as to his birthplace, because I haven't seen a single document which indicates it. What circumstantial evidence does exist points to a non-Hawaiian birthplace. So, prove the positive assertion that Obama was born in Hawaii.
That is my only question. That is the single answer you need to supply to prove me wrong, yourself correct, and receive a full, open apology from me right here in this forum or any of your choosing. Now how easy is that?
Barack Hussein Obama, aka Barry Soetoro, aka Barry Obama is applying for the job of President of my Republic. It is his responsibility to prove he is eligible according to the simple Constitutional stipulations.
The applying candidate has been found to be a lying perjurer on his application for the Illinois bar. The claimed proof of his birth location posted at his website and his agency, factcheck.org posted, is very questionable ... major forgery aspects have been discovered. If this affirmative action liar were applying for a job as a cop or a hospital worker and it surfaced that he had lied on a bar association application, everything the candidate offered to verify his eligibility for the job would be questioned, legitimately. I'm so sorry you don't like your messiah being a perjurer and don't want him questioned in his affirmative action gaming of the election process. LOL
You and your pusillanimous, pugnacious, punkish, snarky, insulting, ridiculing, rhetoric speak volumes as to what this affirmative action poseur must enlist in order to try desperately to avoid providing documentation that he is in fact eligible. If you're what this punk from Chicago criminal politics must employ to game yet another system in his lust for entitlement, it speaks volumes to his ineligibility and fraudulent aims.
Now for the common sense your pusillanimity lacks. This is simple, so try to keep up with these points from other common sense freepers:
"Why didn't the founders think themselves to be natural born; they were all born on this continent?"
All of our Presidents were born on the North American continent, even those that were born prior to the Constitution who were "grandfathered" in. If they were born here, why did they not consider themselves natural born?
The only thing different between them and those born later was their "allegiance" by birth (and that of their parents) to Britain. I think the key to understanding the intention and application of "NaturalBornCitizen" can be found in discovering why they did not confer NBC status on themselves. Just being born here was not enough for them; should just being born in America be enough for us, when Barack Obama was born with allegiance to Britain through his British subject father?
The key to understanding “natural born citizen” for purposes of being eligible to serve as President lies in the way the Founding Fathers were “grandfathered in”. You can see the distinction right there. The FF were born British same as Obama (Kenyan-British actually, through his father). The only born British (or foreign) people who qualify to be President are those who were US citizens at the time of the adoption of the US Constitution. This is written into the Constitution in the exception clause. Unless Barack is more than 250 years old, he doesn’t qualify under the exception clause and remains a British citizen via the allegiance his father held to Britain/Kenya.
As Rep Bingham put it during a floor debate in Congress:
Rep. John Bingham of Ohio, considered the father of the Fourteenth Amendment, confirms the understanding and construction the framers used in regards to birthright and jurisdiction while speaking on civil rights of citizens in the House on March 9, 1866:
" ... I find no fault with the introductory clause [S 61 Bill], which is simply declaratory of what is written in the Constitution, that every human being born within the jurisdiction of the United States of parents [plural, meaning two] not owing allegiance to any foreign sovereignty is, in the language of your Constitution itself, a natural born citizen..." (http://americamustknow.com/default.aspx)
The 20th amendment states clearly, “if the President elect shall have failed to qualify”. It does not state “if the people fail to qualify the PE”. The burden of proof of qualification for any job is with the applicant.
20th Amendment Sct3: “if the President elect shall have failed to qualify”
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2145602/posts
12/09/2008 9:59:02 AM PST · by Kevmo · 79 replies · 1,673+ views
Constitution of the United States ^ | January 23, 1933 | US Constitution
Look up the court records.
Meant to ping you
Good point. It is obviously the President elect’s job to PROVE he IS qualified; not the job of the citizenry to disprove it.
The quality of 0bamatroll is going down the drain. Are they scraping the bottom of the barrel, or what?
Thanks, bvw.
Would you consider that an example of Axelrod's "astroturfing"...?
thanks for the ping, thoroughly enjoyable, all of it. The scum is going down!
And a MERRY CHRISTMAS to all from Australia.
Santa has already been across Aussieland, eh?
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