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The Other American Auto Industry (Great Article)
Weekly Standard ^ | December 13, 2008 | Fred Barnes

Posted on 12/13/2008 6:26:05 AM PST by re_tail20

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To: Phoenix11

I have lived in rural like places that turned into pavement too. As long as nobody pauses to reframe the problem from “too few jobs” into perhaps considering it is “too many workers” then this will continue to happen. Our country is getting more crowded. At least it feels that way. When I grew up everybody we knew had houses, garages, ample yards. Now we know people with very tiny yards, condos, etc. where they often don’t even own the ground the dwelling sits on.


41 posted on 12/13/2008 8:16:24 AM PST by Anima Mundi
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To: re_tail20
What this article doesn't tell you is how many of it's people drove to Atlanta everyday to work at the now closed Ford plant in Atlanta.

West point is a corrupt little town spent many summers on West Point lake. They were probably glad people lost jobs and had to move.

Things aren't always as they appear.

42 posted on 12/13/2008 8:22:19 AM PST by DAVEY CROCKETT
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To: Anima Mundi
Now we know people with very tiny yards, condos, etc. where they often don’t even own the ground the dwelling sits on.

Once the people decided it was okay for the government to impose property taxes - nobody owned their property anymore. The government owns it and "homeowners" merely rent from the government. The government can raise the rent at will. And if the property "owner" doesn't pay what is demanded, he will be evicted - by deadly force if necessary.

43 posted on 12/13/2008 8:22:58 AM PST by XR7
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To: PGR88
I feel now it’s like buying a car from the HUD or the Dept. of the Interior

The last Chevy I bought was built by UAW workers who are owned lock, stock, and barrel by their union boss thugs, and I felt like I was like buying a car from the Mafia.

Unions had their place and were necessary in the early decades of the 20th century. But IMHO they have long since outlived their usefulness, and have become criminal enterprises rather than supportive partners with industry and commerce as our US industries struggle to compete with aggressive foreign competition that isn't weighted down by corrupt unions.

44 posted on 12/13/2008 8:23:13 AM PST by epow (I'll keep my God, my guns, and my money. You can keep THE CHANGE)
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To: Congressman Billybob
Great article. Some interesting quotes and points:

"Why would a worker in Alabama or Texas making far and away the best wages he ever could want to join the UAW?" says Washington attorney Richard Wyatt, who specializes in labor issues. "The UAW has no story to tell these people that makes any sense."

. . .

Also, nearly all elected officials, Republicans and Democrats, are favorable to business. The efforts are bipartisan.

It's also worth noting that one of the most important factors in attracting new auto manufacturers to the South over the last 15 years really had nothing to do with auto manufacturing or government incentives at all: efficiency improvements and consolidation in the railroad industry.

Auto manufacturing relies heavily on railroads to carry inbound parts/components and outbound finished vehicles. Efficiency improvements in the railroad industry now provide these manufacturers with a much greater global reach, and mergers/acquisitions among the railroads have helped streamline the process. The acquisition of Conrail by Norfolk Southern and CSX in 1998 was probably a huge factor, for this provided competitive rail service into the nation's largest consumer markets in metro New York and New England -- and enabled auto manufacturers in the south to move finished vehicles on a single rail trip with a single carrier (either NS or CSX).

45 posted on 12/13/2008 8:24:47 AM PST by Alberta's Child (I'm out on the outskirts of nowhere . . . with ghosts on my trail, chasing me there.)
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To: re_tail20

The Dems want to force unions on these jobs. They are making the entire Country Detroit.

Pray for W and our Troops


46 posted on 12/13/2008 8:29:16 AM PST by bray (All thats left of my 401K is a little Change and no Hope.)
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To: re_tail20

BTTT


47 posted on 12/13/2008 8:33:28 AM PST by Right_in_Virginia
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To: 1rudeboy
There was an article in the WSJ a couple of weeks ago that described how Ford sent a bunch of consultants to a plant in order to streamline the painting process, and the UAW wouldn't even let them in the door.

That's outrageous, the governor of the state should have called out the National Guard to retake possession of the company's property.

I have said this before on FR, IMHO the Teamsters, the UAW, and the teacher's unions are the largest criminal enterprises in the US.

48 posted on 12/13/2008 8:34:10 AM PST by epow (Somewhere in Kenya a village is missing one of it's native-born sons.)
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To: 1rudeboy
but even when management tried to make operations more efficent the UAW refused

All the more reason that the Big Three should have brought the union to it's knees years ago.

Let them strike. I'd be willing to support the companies if they had held their ground and pushed the UAW back in it's place.

They had a chance as recently as a year ago. The companies bent over and gave the UAW a new contract with little concession in 2007. That means company management was not willing to do their job. Why should I help support them now? Management and the UAW are both to blame.

49 posted on 12/13/2008 8:34:10 AM PST by SteamShovel (Global Warming, the New Patriotism)
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To: SteamShovel

>> Let them strike.

The effect is a petition for a portion of your salary.


50 posted on 12/13/2008 8:40:39 AM PST by Gene Eric
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To: She hits a grand slam tonight
You may have a point but IMO within a years or two, GM & Shyrysler will be going through Bankruptcy and the other profitable US mfrs will be moving to double the number of Profitable autos they mfr & sell in the US. Luckily the Taxes these cos and there employees pay will help in paying off the tax burden the dumbazz Government has stolen to pay the incompetent auto mfrs.
51 posted on 12/13/2008 8:41:34 AM PST by iopscusa (El Vaquero. (SC Lowcountry Cowboy))
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To: avacado

Red States = Pro Business :)


52 posted on 12/13/2008 8:54:35 AM PST by Freedom56v2
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To: econjack

The very idea of paying 97% of wages when they don’t work is absurd as are many of the other elements that lead to a $73/hr wage bill. A bailout simply allows the auto firms to avoid the hard decisions it must make to become competitive with other auto makers.

It is amazing to me that the shareholders of corp. allowed this management team to continue offering these sorts of benefits—97% of salary if not working?! —unless the unionized autoworkers do get stock as part of compensation...anyone know?t


53 posted on 12/13/2008 8:58:06 AM PST by Freedom56v2
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To: Red_Devil 232

“Toyota is building a new plant in the Tupelo, Ms area. It will produce vehicles in 2010. A $1.3 Billion investment and 2000 jobs.”

And how many of those jobs will be filled by the drooling, whining, idiots sitting in their homes in Michigan, complaining about being out of work? Over qualified and under brained!


54 posted on 12/13/2008 9:41:49 AM PST by dbacks (God help the USA.)
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To: Right Wing Assault

“How do the Big Three manage to de-unionize their plants? “

Ch. 11.


55 posted on 12/13/2008 9:49:11 AM PST by dbacks (God help the USA.)
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To: epow

“I have said this before on FR, IMHO the Teamsters, the UAW, and the teacher’s unions are the largest criminal enterprises in the US. “

And you are 100% correct!


56 posted on 12/13/2008 9:57:29 AM PST by dbacks (God help the USA.)
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To: Right Wing Assault

How do they de-unionize the Big Three plants? Chapter 11. Life goes on but union contracts are on the table and can be voided. It would help to make Michigan a Right-To-Work state at the same time.


57 posted on 12/13/2008 10:06:09 AM PST by szweig (Had it up to here)
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To: stevem
It's a good article. Still, here's the part I don't understand. Michigan automakers can't be so myopic that they could't see this coming, AT LEAST 15 years ago. Why weren't they doing what these other companies doing?

I'm sure they did see it coming, but were stuck in the stranglehold of the UAW. When they try to get concessions from UAW, UAW threatens to strike and stop production of their vehicles. Stop production=stop inflow of $$.

And if the "Big 3" tried to move production lines south, UAW threatens to strike again. UAW wins concessions to keep x amount of vehicle production on their turf.

Best medicine for "Big 3" is bankruptcy. UAW bloodsuckers are forced by bankruptcy court to "take it or leave it" on pay and benefits, and then "Big 3" can have a fighting chance to compete with non-union shops in the south.

When will Michigander autoworkers realize that UAW is taking their money and spending it on fancy union HQ in DC, parties and "retreats" and trips and campaign donations to crooks and liars?

58 posted on 12/13/2008 11:53:26 AM PST by onemiddleamerican
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To: Bloody Sam Roberts

I think the Big 3 de-unionizes their operations by adding one more thing to what you say. Close the plants and shut them down. Go open new ones in the South, abandon Ohio and Michigan. I’m sure every southern state would give the Big 3 the same incentives they are giving the transplants.

It’s time to end an abusive marriage and stop being enablers of an alcoholic. They have got to divorce the UAW and move out of the house.


59 posted on 12/13/2008 12:30:49 PM PST by henkster (Welcome to the Union of Socialist States of America. You are ordered to enjoy your stay.)
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To: epow

Please don’t include IN in your list of pro-union states. We have Toyota and Subaru plants here and they are non-union.


60 posted on 12/14/2008 6:11:40 AM PST by american_ranger (Never ever use DirecTV)
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