Posted on 12/13/2008 3:20:49 AM PST by GonzoII
Barack Obama's upcoming presidency gives many reasons for conservatives to be concerned. All the more reason that we stick to substantive provable issues, as opposed to chasing such illusive rainbows as his alleged lack of a birth certificate. Such preoccupation adds to the bad name already accorded legitimate "conspiracy theories."
(Excerpt) Read more at renewamerica.us ...
“The Honolulu Advertiser published an announcement of baby Barack’s reportedly local birth (in Honolulu) a few days after the birth in August 1961. Information as to the parents’ names and address were included. To believe that he was born in Kenya, you would have to conclude that immediately after the baby’s birth, Obama’s parents, knowing that 47 years hence the child would be running for President of the United States, hurriedly rushed from Kenya to Honolulu with the newborn baby, and bribed hospital officials to give the information to the local newspaper so as to set up the hoax for 2008.”
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This part does make sense, the newspaper did report it...?
Your question/reply: What relevance do they have on his constitutional eligibility to be president?
My response: Read the complete post ... see 'foreign student' above.
Yeah, in the case of Chile...
But the Reagan and Thatcher revolution were on the heels of left-wing perpetrated economic disasters.
The perfect storm we are about to hit is inevitable - it wouldn't matter if it were Thatcher AND Reagan in the Whitehouse. It's already upon us.
There are a number of reasons why this will be a depression - I am even giving second thought to Kondratieff's theories... while his exact explanation may be wrong, and it was never empirically proven over the very long run - we never had the huge credit markets that we have today, that combined with fiat currencies all over the world make this entirely plausible.
Anyone who has studied fractal mathematics would see that in fact, human economic activity when charted and exhibit fractal behavior - that is basically the premise behind the Kondratieff theory of supercycles, etc. Human economic activity DOES behave like a fractal when charted, and there are two things in particular that could combine to make this depression worse than the last one if the correct remedies are not administered.
The denoument will be somewhat complex, as Credit Markets dry up they will exacerbate the meltdown. Nobody really counts this - we count the money supply M0, M1, M2, M3, M4 - but "L" is not only issued by banks, and it will dry up thereby doubling the contraction of money. Hyperinflation of the currency will need to occur just to keep the amount of 'money' out there. But even that will be insufficient to cover the drop in "velocity" (V) that also occurs, so more money should be printed. But that is only treading water... if you want things to grow...
Eventually, you will not need a wallet for your money, but rather, a wheelbarrow.
Obama's 'solutions' are not going to do anything but exacerbate the situation.
Allende's dramatic failure of a Marxist experiment melted down when the world was a relatively stable place, well run economies in Asia were growing by leaps and bounds.
Obama does not have such a luxury.
It will go very bad, very quickly. He will get his Socialism through stealth - he will not need to nationalize industries, but via the multiple bailouts and the left shrieking that the businessmen do not know how to run the companies, so Socialize them... etc. - we will see the government take large share of the economy. They will mismanage every last bit of it.
In two years, things will look very bad indeed.
In the end, the government will need to use more coercion and threats to force the populace to comply - as is always the case in Socialism. Doctors may be threatened at some point... food producers and distributors...
We are heading for a perfect storm.
Obama will fling wide all the hatches and raise the sails.
The lifeboats will be cast overboard empty.
Hang on...
Hey... its just 4 little words... who would notice?!
Are you implying Hussein has a twin?
Thought it interesting to see the BC thing on the front of the National Enquirer this week.
Objection! Assumes facts not in evidence.
There exists video of people claiming to be Obama family members, who claim that he was born in Kenya. Why anyone would produce such video if it could be easily refuted would be a fair question, which would somewhat support an inference that the people in the video are, in fact, family members. Nonetheless, the inference is hardly sufficiently strong to be regarded as fact, absent further evidence.
You don't read at all, do you? Your chart gives three types of citizenship and gives the Ark case as legal reference for natural born citizen. But the majority decision clearly states that there are only two types of citizenship - citizen at birth and citizen by naturalization. It also clearly states that except for a few clearly defined cases children born in the U.S. are citizens at birth regardless of the nationality of the parents. The Elg case is irrelvant because Obama returned to the U.S. when he was 10, long before he reached his majority. He had never lost his U.S. citizenship so there was no citizenship to reclaim. In short, you use as justification Supreme Court decisions which contradict your position. How much more bogus can you get?
You need to tell me why it's bogus and produce documentation to back you opinion up.
OK, let's quote the Ark decision, Justice Gray writing for the majority:
"The fourteenth amendment of the constitution, in the declaration that 'all persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside,' contemplates two sources of citizenship, and two only,-birth and naturalization. Citizenship by naturalization can only be acquired by naturalization under the authority and in the forms of law. But citizenship by birth is established by the mere fact of birth under the circumstances defined in the constitution. Every person born in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, becomes at once a citizen of the United States, and needs no naturalization." and
"The foregoing considerations and authorities irresistibly lead us to these conclusions: The fourteenth amendment affirms the ancient and fundamental rule of citizenship by birth within the territory, in the allegiance and under the protection of the country, including all children here born of resident aliens, with the exceptions or qualifications (as old as the rule itself) of children of foreign sovereigns or their ministers, or born on foreign public ships, or of enemies within and during a hostile occupation of part of our territory, and with the single additional exception of children of members of the Indian tribes owing direct allegiance to their several tribes. The amendment, in clear words and in manifest intent, includes the children born within the territory of the United States of all other persons, of whatever race or color, domiciled within the United States. Every citizen or subject of another country, while domiciled here, is within the allegiance and the protection, and consequently subject to the jurisdiction, of the United States."
By the way, it's not my chart. It was produced by an attorney practicing in the federal courts system.
The it might have helped if he or she read the Ark and Elg decisions before putting together such a ridiculous chart.
The “Mystery of the Secret Birth” will not go away. Too many sources are wanting to verify B HO’s origins. The fact that the media is silent tells me there IS a story.
No....it was a joke response to the quote "even a liberal can understand it" in response number 21 (as indicated at the bottom of the comment) and it gave me the opportunity to post an image of one of my favorite TV liberals.
If he's not a liberal, he sure knows how to portray the liberal attitude to a tee.
It doesn't matter whether I take you seriously. Asking questions that assume facts not in evidence is not an effective way of bringing to your side people who are not already predisposed to believe the facts in question.
There exists video in which people who claim to be Obama's relatives apparently state that he was born in Kenya. That in and of itself proves very little. Of course, Obama's allged birth-certificate JPEG also doesn't prove a whole lot. Rather than try to argue the 'fact' that Obama's relatives state truthfully and unambiguously that he was born in Kenya, it would be better to frame things accurately: the evidence, though sketchy, raises some doubts about Obama's legitimacy; not huge doubts, but enough that it can hardly be stipulated.
BTW, I'm reminded of the end of the Democrats' convention, when the query was made if anyone opposed Barack's nomination, and then he was declared the winner before anyone would have had a chance to reply. Not that there was any doubt that Barack was going to win, and Hillary could have told her delegates that they would be persona non grata with her if they made any stink, but it still seemed to me that proper protocol would have called for letting any opposition be heard and, if there was any plausible doubt about the relative strength of support and opposition, a quick vote count. At minimum, count all the delegates who opposed Obama, and then count more than that number of delegates who supported him.
Some might argue such protocols are silly when there's a clear winner. IMHO, however, they should still be followed.
I know... I was just jumping on the band wagon of the story this morning about the birth cert having reference of a twin.
Then the only other option is secession.
If Barry tries to stay in office despite either being proven a foreign born citizen or unqualified to hold office because he's not a natural born citizen, then another Civil War could very well be a possibility.
Hardly likely.
the only way this will change is if the economy continues to deteriorate...then Barry will be out in 4.
There is no way the government...Rep or Dem will let this country deteriorate into all the cities burning..which is what would happen if Obozo doesn’t get seated..that is the reality.
the media will turn on him if the country continues this downhill slide...maybe. Its hard to have a revolution in an age of the internet and tv when the MSM controls the media.
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