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"The rule allows visitors(with concealed carry permits) to virtually all federal parks to carry concealed loaded firearms if the state in which the parkland resides allows concealed weapons. Because 48 states now allow concealed weapons, only three of the nation's 391 federal parks are excluded from the rule."
1 posted on 12/12/2008 1:16:51 PM PST by SwinneySwitch
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To: SwinneySwitch
Another MSM/Driveby denunciation of the NRA! And the problem with the RTC in national parks would be what, exactly??

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

2 posted on 12/12/2008 1:21:55 PM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: SwinneySwitch

Liberals Hate the U.S. Constitution. In doing so, they are UNAMERICAN and NOT PATRIOTIC.

This guy is probably ok if our new president doesn’t meet 1 of 3 constitutional requirements to be President.


3 posted on 12/12/2008 1:22:13 PM PST by FreeAtlanta (Join the Constitution Party)
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To: SwinneySwitch

This is about visitors packing loaded pistols onto the Padre Island National Seashore or onto the Aransas National Wildlife Refuge. These are supposed to be places of respite and sanctuaries for natural beauty. Allowing loaded weapons onto these parks trespass on that mission.


What? A concealed firearm spoils the view?

I can only offer one suggestion to the author, in the future, buy bunch-proof undies.


4 posted on 12/12/2008 1:22:37 PM PST by kenth (It's now spend and tax. How's that for change?)
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To: SwinneySwitch

Useless. Where was this rule 8 years ago. It’s lifespan is measured in months until it’s repealed by B.O.


6 posted on 12/12/2008 1:27:16 PM PST by Hacklehead (Liberalism is the art of taking what works, breaking it, and then blaming conservatives.)
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To: SwinneySwitch

I got this from a dimwitted friend who was sending it around to protest the decision - it came from the Sierra Group. I honestly do NOT understand how someone can grow to adulthood being so stupid:

“As for the illusion of safety that carrying a loaded weapon will allegedly provide visitors to our National Parks, I personally will now feel very UNSAFE in my local national park knowing that the unfamiliar face walking towards me on the trail could potentially harm me with a firearm if they felt “threatened” by me in some way. I go to parks to create the illusion that I am getting away from the threat that firearms pose to my own personal safety in the outside world. The two legged predators I fear are the ones carrying loaded guns, ready to shoot off a self-justified round or two at a moments’ notice. I have yet to read any justification for carrying a loaded weapon in a National Park that does not mention some aspect of personal fear, or a libertarian argument about personal rights. Can someone please explain why I should support this new law without using the vocabulary of fear and anarchistic lbertarianism?”

They will now feel unsafe because someone might misinterpret a move they might make? What do they do, charge at people brandishing swords? WTF?

To say “I go to parks to create the illusion that I am getting away from the threat that firearms pose to my own personal safety in the outside world.” is GALACTICALLY naive. They think that because they are in a “pretend safety zone” because they “create the illusion” that they are safe!

Honest to Pete, sometimes I dispair that there are such simple minded adults (so-called) that just don’t think...they “feel” something, therefore it must be true...


8 posted on 12/12/2008 1:34:31 PM PST by jessduntno (Barack - Kenyan for "High Wind, Big Thunder, No Rain")
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To: SwinneySwitch
Allowing concealed loaded firearms is a travesty and a violation of the spirit of national parks best expressed by President Theodore Roosevelt who, after spending a night in what would become Yellowstone National Park, said, ""It was like lying in a great solemn cathedral, far vaster and more beautiful than any built by the hand of man."

Ya' mean this Teddy Roosevelt?



9 posted on 12/12/2008 1:37:00 PM PST by Locomotive Breath
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To: SwinneySwitch

I got this from a dimwitted friend who was sending it around to protest the decision - it came from the Sierra Group. I honestly do NOT understand how someone can grow to adulthood being so stupid:

“As for the illusion of safety that carrying a loaded weapon will allegedly provide visitors to our National Parks, I personally will now feel very UNSAFE in my local national park knowing that the unfamiliar face walking towards me on the trail could potentially harm me with a firearm if they felt “threatened” by me in some way. I go to parks to create the illusion that I am getting away from the threat that firearms pose to my own personal safety in the outside world. The two legged predators I fear are the ones carrying loaded guns, ready to shoot off a self-justified round or two at a moments’ notice. I have yet to read any justification for carrying a loaded weapon in a National Park that does not mention some aspect of personal fear, or a libertarian argument about personal rights. Can someone please explain why I should support this new law without using the vocabulary of fear and anarchistic lbertarianism?”

They will now feel unsafe because someone might misinterpret a move they might make? What do they do, charge at people brandishing swords? WTF?

To say “I go to parks to create the illusion that I am getting away from the threat that firearms pose to my own personal safety in the outside world.” is GALACTICALLY naive. They think that because they are in a “pretend safety zone” because they “create the illusion” that they are safe!

Honest to Pete, sometimes I dispair that there are such simple minded adults (so-called) that just don’t think...they “feel” something, therefore it must be true...


10 posted on 12/12/2008 1:38:04 PM PST by jessduntno (Barack - Kenyan for "High Wind, Big Thunder, No Rain")
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To: SwinneySwitch

I got this from a dimwitted friend who was sending it around to protest the decision - it came from the Sierra Group. I honestly do NOT understand how someone can grow to adulthood being so stupid:

“As for the illusion of safety that carrying a loaded weapon will allegedly provide visitors to our National Parks, I personally will now feel very UNSAFE in my local national park knowing that the unfamiliar face walking towards me on the trail could potentially harm me with a firearm if they felt “threatened” by me in some way. I go to parks to create the illusion that I am getting away from the threat that firearms pose to my own personal safety in the outside world. The two legged predators I fear are the ones carrying loaded guns, ready to shoot off a self-justified round or two at a moments’ notice. I have yet to read any justification for carrying a loaded weapon in a National Park that does not mention some aspect of personal fear, or a libertarian argument about personal rights. Can someone please explain why I should support this new law without using the vocabulary of fear and anarchistic lbertarianism?”

They will now feel unsafe because someone might misinterpret a move they might make? What do they do, charge at people brandishing swords? WTF?

To say “I go to parks to create the illusion that I am getting away from the threat that firearms pose to my own personal safety in the outside world.” is GALACTICALLY naive. They think that because they are in a “pretend safety zone” because they “create the illusion” that they are safe!

Honest to Pete, sometimes I dispair that there are such simple minded adults (so-called) that just don’t think...they “feel” something, therefore it must be true...


12 posted on 12/12/2008 1:38:59 PM PST by jessduntno (Barack - Kenyan for "High Wind, Big Thunder, No Rain")
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To: SwinneySwitch

Just yesterday, I was discussing this with a liberal acquaintance.

I asked her if she REALLY believed that wackos who would use a gun on someone in a National Park would care whether or not there is a law against carrying a loaded firearm?

How naive are these people??


13 posted on 12/12/2008 1:44:42 PM PST by AlanGreenSpam (Obama: The First 'American IDOL' President - sponsored by Chicago NeoCom Thugs)
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To: SwinneySwitch
Bush rule will allow guns in national parks

So does the 2nd Amendment

17 posted on 12/12/2008 2:09:23 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: SwinneySwitch
Allowing concealed loaded firearms is a travesty and a violation of the spirit of national parks best expressed by President Theodore Roosevelt ...

I guess there were just OUTRAGEOUS things happening in our precious parks between Teddy and 1983!

19 posted on 12/12/2008 2:12:33 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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Note: This is dated June 1996,, 12 yrs. old

http://www.aldha.org/murders.htm

Two women hikers were found slain June 1st, just off the Appalachian Trail near Skyland Lodge in Shenandoah National Park. The bodies were found on National Trails Day by park authorities who had been alerted a day or so before that the women were overdue from a backpacking trip.......

...They were the eighth and ninth people killed in the past two decades along the Appalachian Trail. "In three of those cases, they were double-murders: six incidents, nine murders," the ATC's Brian King was quoted as saying by the Associated Press....

20 posted on 12/12/2008 2:24:38 PM PST by Vinnie (You're Nobody 'Til Somebody Jihads You)
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I can’t seem to duplicate this page to FR (html impaired), but here is a summary of National Park crimes through 2001.

An eyeopener
http://www.the-eggman.com/writings/crime_in_nat_parks.html


21 posted on 12/12/2008 2:41:07 PM PST by Vinnie (You're Nobody 'Til Somebody Jihads You)
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To: AuntB; CPT Clay; MNDude; BellStar; bayouranger; stan_sipple; time4good; Guenevere; mugsaway; CSM; ..
National Park ping!

If you want on, or off this S. Texas/Mexico ping list, please FReepMail me.

24 posted on 12/12/2008 3:15:55 PM PST by SwinneySwitch (ObamaNation - beyond your expectations.)
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National parks' pot farms blamed on cartels Mexican drug lords find it easier to grow in state than import

www.sfgate.com

25 posted on 12/12/2008 5:45:18 PM PST by Charlespg
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To: SwinneySwitch
In Texas, as in many states, so-called concealed-carry laws passed by the state Legislature prohibit loaded firearms from state parks, as well as other places.

This part of the article is a lie.

Nothing in the Public Hunting Lands Proclamation or State Parks Proclamation prohibits a person from possessing a concealed handgun, loaded or unloaded, under the authority of a concealed handgun license issued by this state or any other state. Persons carrying concealed handguns must comply with all concealed handgun laws.

The Executive Director reserves the right to prohibit the carrying of all firearms during certain events or in certain locations on Departmental lands.

This order is issued pursuant to Title 31, Texas Administrative Code, Sections 59.134 (f) (1) and 65.199, and is effective immediately.

Source TSRA

28 posted on 12/12/2008 8:28:20 PM PST by FreedomCalls ("not unprecedented")
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To: SwinneySwitch

The “editorial” comes from a Scripps affiliated “paper.”
The Editor who wrote this should be fired even if the paper is anti-gun!
He hasn’t a clue what he is talking about..
The new rule allows carry only by those who can carry legally in the state the park is in. I.e., law enforcement and CHL holders. In my state, Texas (where the Big Bend park is located) CHL requirements are more strict than law enforcement as to qualification!.

BIG POINT -> THE EDITOR DID NOT DO ANY RESEARCH OR GET ANY DATA! If he did he would realize that the new RULE IS NOT AN EXECUTIVE ORDER from the president! It is a rule by the National Park Service, a part of the Department of the Interior — and has been going through the standard process, and has been in the works for over a year. The time usually allowed was even extended in order to give anyone interested - either for or against - an opportunity to provide input. As a private party, I sent in my two cents worth (for) as did a number of senators and several governors from around the country and many other JQ Publics.

We really have to look at most of our printed media as we now see most of the electronic media — in the tank for the dark side.

Sean Hannity was right — 2008 will be remembered as “The year the media died.”


29 posted on 12/12/2008 8:43:03 PM PST by LoneStarC
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“Allowing concealed loaded firearms is a travesty and a violation of the spirit of national parks best expressed by President Theodore Roosevelt “

Sure...and so is being defensless to attacks by criminals who sometimes frequent these places in search of unarmed victems.

These people need to get over their fear of armed, law abiding citizens who pose a threat only to common criminals, tyrants and the sycophantic thugs who support tyrants.


30 posted on 12/13/2008 4:56:52 AM PST by Constitutional Patriot (Socialism is the cancer of humanity.)
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