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Senate roll call vote on $14B auto bailout
Google-AP ^ | December 12, 2008 | Staff

Posted on 12/12/2008 4:15:31 AM PST by flattorney

The 52-35 roll call by which opponents on Thursday prevented the Senate from considering a $14 billion emergency bailout passed by the House for U.S. automakers. On this vote, a "yes" vote was a vote to formally consider the House bill and a "no" vote was a vote to stop its progress. Supporters of the bailout needed 60 votes to advance it. Voting "yes" were 40 Democrats, 10 Republicans and 2 independents. Voting "no" were 4 Democrats and 31 Republicans.

Republicans Yes - - Bond, Mo.; Brownback, Kan.; Collins, Maine; Dole, N.C.; Domenici, N.M.; Lugar, Ind.; Snowe, Maine; Specter, Pa.; Voinovich, Ohio; Warner, Va.

Republicans No - - Allard, Colo.; Barrasso, Wyo.; Bennett, Utah; Bunning, Ky.; Burr, N.C.; Chambliss, Ga.; Coburn, Okla.; Cochran, Miss.; Coleman, Minn.; Corker, Tenn.; Crapo, Idaho; DeMint, S.C.; Ensign, Nev.; Enzi, Wyo.; Grassley, Iowa; Gregg, N.H.; Hatch, Utah; Hutchison, Texas; Inhofe, Okla.; Isakson, Ga.; Kyl, Ariz.; Martinez, Fla.; McCain, Ariz.; McConnell, Ky.; Murkowski, Alaska; Roberts, Kan.; Sessions, Ala.; Shelby, Ala.; Thune, S.D.; Vitter, La.; Wicker, Miss.

Republicans Not Voting - - Alexander, Tenn.; Cornyn, Texas; Craig, Idaho; Graham, S.C.; Hagel, Neb.; Smith, Ore.; Stevens, Alaska; Sununu, N.H.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Extended News; Government; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: autobailout; bailout; bailoutnation; coleman; demint; inhofe; martinez; rollcall; senate; ussenate
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To: Trust but Verify; raybbr

Once people understood the job banks the unions lost all credibility. No responsible person will advocate wasting money and worker’s time like that. Ergo, unions are irresponsible....while laughing their way to the bank.

The labor cost is the issue here, past, present and future. You can point fingers at the management, but only after the labor pool has set its own example. If I were in the workforce I would be trying to organize a worker’s union; screw the fat cats.


41 posted on 12/12/2008 5:21:24 AM PST by Loud Mime (Democrats: The most corrupt party in US history)
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To: omega4179; Boiling Pots

Mac and Martinez likely voted no for the same reason Reid did.


42 posted on 12/12/2008 5:23:27 AM PST by shove_it (and have a nice day)
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To: Trust but Verify

How about Union pay.


43 posted on 12/12/2008 5:29:12 AM PST by Rappini ("Pro deo et Patria.)
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To: Trust but Verify
Who is next for a bail-out? Having screwed up with TARP is NOT a good reason to throw more money at hopeless causes.

Huh? At least 2 trillion for bankers and we are arguing over 14 billion for auto makers. That's less than .75% of the money we gave the bankers. How did they become more important than the auto makers?

44 posted on 12/12/2008 5:30:39 AM PST by raybbr
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To: Trust but Verify
How about responding to the fact that GM and Toyota sell the same number of cars and while toyota MAKES billions, GM LOSES billions? How do you think that happens? And don;t say it’s because of executive pay.

Let's see. There could be government regulations. Environmental regulations. Taxes. Did I forget anything? Oh, and high pay for labor. I agree that labor costs are high for the big three but this endless vilification of ALL the people that work for them is mindless.

45 posted on 12/12/2008 5:32:51 AM PST by raybbr
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To: meyer
Bottom line - It costs the big three around $3000 more in labor costs to build a car of equivalent size, features, and quality as it does a non-union manufacturer in the US. That's why Toyota is making money and GM is not.

Is it strictly labor costs? What about regulations, taxes and government interference? Why does everyone put the full onus on the labor?

46 posted on 12/12/2008 5:34:03 AM PST by raybbr
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To: raybbr
Is it strictly labor costs? What about regulations, taxes and government interference? Why does everyone put the full onus on the labor?

That's just the cost-of-workforce portion of the difference. It doesn't take into account the excessive costs of all the fun union gamesmanship (and yes, I was a union member for 11 years - there's plenty of games being played). And it doesn't account for the lack of flexibility of the workforce at the big three.

If you look at the numbers in an earlier post, you'll see that the difference between Toyota's $17.7 billion profit and GM's $37.8 billion loss amounts to about $6000 per vehicle. That's a huge gap!

47 posted on 12/12/2008 5:44:56 AM PST by meyer (We are all John Galt)
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To: flattorney

Bond-MO needs to retire. Voted yes on illegal immigration also.
What is with McCaskill..said she would not vote for it because of raises in it for federal judges


48 posted on 12/12/2008 5:47:24 AM PST by surelyclintonsbaddream
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To: raybbr
The people working today DO NOT get over $70 in bennies and pay.

The way the figure is used is a lie.
Then please un-lie us and post your facts.

49 posted on 12/12/2008 5:57:33 AM PST by chainsaw
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To: raybbr
You really don't get it, do you? People aren't vilifying the workers, they're vilifying the UNION. My son works at a job where he is forced to belong to a corrupt union. I bitch about the corruption of the union all the time. Does that mean I'm vilifying my son?

Any simpleton can look at the wage/benefit costs of UNIONIZED automakers and those of non-unionized automakers and come to the conclusion that the labor costs are what is dragging down the former.

50 posted on 12/12/2008 5:58:08 AM PST by Trust but Verify
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To: raybbr

BTW, that 14 billion is a DOWN PAYMENT. That only gets them through a couple of months. What is your angle here? Seems like you are just a little too defensive to be merely a bystander.


51 posted on 12/12/2008 6:00:39 AM PST by Trust but Verify
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To: flattorney

I just sent thanking emails to Senators Corker, Alexander (I see he didn’t vote), DeMint and Chambliss.

You can too at http://www.usa.gov and click on contact public officials.

Thank the good guys and ask the others “why” they’re not supporting Conservative, Traditional and Constitutional Values.

Thanks a bunch of emails, HO


52 posted on 12/12/2008 6:03:11 AM PST by HighlyOpinionated ("The price good men pay for indifference to public affairs is to be ruled by evil men." Edmund Burke)
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To: raybbr
You are blinded by your hate for unions. There is clearly no way to convince people like you that that these people made a deal to get paid. Just like the CEO's and bankers.

The deal that they made is the reason they are in the situation they are in. We should not stand in the way of them reaping the rewards of what they have sown.

53 posted on 12/12/2008 6:06:17 AM PST by CMAC51
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To: raybbr
I wonder how many times the lie of "they make $78/hr." will be posted on this thread?

Doesn't matter. The reality is, that for GM to survive, labor will have to share the pain. The UAW and the corporation have both contributed their share in getting to this point.

54 posted on 12/12/2008 6:08:31 AM PST by ChildOfThe60s (If you can remember the 60s........you weren't really there)
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To: raybbr
How did they become more important than the auto makers?

Good point. And a perfect illustration of why NO ONE should be getting bailed out.

These bail outs run amok could very well cause a depression.

55 posted on 12/12/2008 6:11:21 AM PST by ChildOfThe60s (If you can remember the 60s........you weren't really there)
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To: paguch

I’m younger than yourself, but I have only bought “American” Cars. I will never do so again if they get bailed out.


56 posted on 12/12/2008 6:11:40 AM PST by downwdims (The Borrower is Slave to the Lender)
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To: Trust but Verify
What is your angle here? Seems like you are just a little too defensive to be merely a bystander.

I enjoy pointing out hypocrisy.

57 posted on 12/12/2008 6:21:25 AM PST by raybbr
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To: raybbr

Hypocrisy?


58 posted on 12/12/2008 6:28:36 AM PST by Trust but Verify
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To: raybbr
You are blinded by your hate for unions. There is clearly no way to convince people like you that that these people made a deal to get paid. Just like the CEO's and bankers.

The deal they made was with the car companies, NOT the government.

As to your insinuation that we here support bailing out the bankers but not the workers, that is just crap as all true conservatives were against that as well. The fact that we are finally able to cheer this small victory does not mean we support the previous debacle.

Put your hand back in your pocket. It's unbecoming of a conservative to be holding it out.

59 posted on 12/12/2008 6:34:52 AM PST by BlueMondaySkipper (Involuntarily subsidizing the parasite class since 1981)
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To: Trust but Verify
Hypocrisy?

If you followed my posts I started by pointing out how they bailed the banks but won't bail the big 3 with .74% of the amount.

60 posted on 12/12/2008 6:35:07 AM PST by raybbr
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