Posted on 12/08/2008 6:57:44 PM PST by ckilmer
Not even the U.S. Supreme Court can kill the dispute that has developed over Sen. Barack Obama's eligibility to occupy the Oval Office based on questions raised over his birthplace and citizenship and his steadfast refusal to provide documentation on the issue.
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“Uh, the long form just adds details like birth weight ... is that important to you?”
Yep, sure is. I want to know alllllllll about Barry’s first day on earth. If you can get the information that would be great.
Does this sound at all familiar to you? It was posted TO YOU. The fact you choose to ignore it shows that your purpose is to be a CoLB Troll.
plus birth announcement,
***Gramma helping out,
If you don't like the subject why don't you go play somewhere else.
Obviously you are selling BS or don't have a clue.
There is something when Mr. Obama would hire and pay attorneys rather than produce a $10.00 Birth Certificate.
Now I had to provide one to the Military.
I had to provide one to get a Drivers license.
I had to provide one to get security and background.
Geeeee.... Think one might have to provide
one to get their hands on the country's vital secrets
and hold the office of president.
And what is Horowitz’z conclusion?
That the Constitution doesn't count against a popular vote.
Obama’s gramma has been quoted as saying he was born in Kenya. That is real evidence.”
That’s been a third hand rumor since day one that has conveniently never been properly sourced, just tossed around by the conspiracy mongers.
“or you to characterize this as “no real evidence at all” is just screaming ...”
... responsible conservative saddened to see FR sunk in the mire of Trootherism. I am sorry you have to believe in complicated fantasy rather than simple truth. The guy was born in Honolulu, simple as that. The COLB is real. It’s not IMPOSSIBLE that it could be forged, but proving a possibility is NOT proving an actuality. THAT is what ends up being ‘no evidence at all’, those leaps into the hypothetical that is the real substance of the truther types.
“If there was “no real evidence at all”, then NONE of those cases would be docketed at the supreme court, and CERTAINLY not two of them forwarded by SCOTUS justices.”
Uh, the plaintiff in one of the cases, Donofrio, AGREES WITH ME THAT OBAMA WAS BORN IN HONOLULU! Oh, and the other guy - on “your side’ - Berg - is a 9/11 TRUTHER/LIAR CONSPIRACY THEORY KOOK. He has no special knowledge, just persistence and a law degree and an affinity for these kinds of stories.
FUNNY HOW YOU IGNORE THE INCONVENIENT TRUTHS.
“Why should we believe you, you are obviously not a Supreme Court Justice so they basically outrank you on this item.”
Yeah, but not SCOTUS Justice has said anything contrary to what I am saying, which is simply that Obama was born in Honolulu and there is no real evidence otherwise.
I am with Michelle Malkin on this:
http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=OGY0OTgxYWYzYTJmOTVjODhjYWFmZDQ0ZWQzMzFhYzQ=
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There may be the seed of a legitimate constitutional issue to explore here — how is the citizenship requirement enforced for presidential candidates, anyway? And at least Donofrio concedes that Obama was born in Hawaii. But a dangerously large segment of the birth-certificate hunters have lurched into rabid Truther territory. The most prominent crusader against Obama’s American citizenship claim, lawyer Philip Berg (who, not coincidentally, is also a prominent 9/11 Truther) disputes that Obama was born in Hawaii and claims that Obama’s paternal grandmother told him she saw Obama born in Kenya.
Berg and his supporters further assert that the “Certification of Live Birth” produced by Obama was altered or forged. They claim that the contemporaneous announcement in a Hawaii newspaper of Obama’s birth is insufficient evidence that he was born there. (Did a fortuneteller place it in the paper knowing he would run for president?) And they accuse anyone who disagrees with them of being part and parcel of the grand plan to install Emperor Obama and usurp the rule of law.
I believe Trig was born to Sarah Palin. I believe Barack Obama was born in Hawaii. I believe fire can melt steel and that bin Laden’s jihadi crew — not Bush and Cheney — perpetrated mass murder on 9/11. What kind of kooky conspiracist does that make me?”
Kevmo: “Polarik’s report is pretty convincing. “
WOSG: Uh .....no. BTw, if you cant make the case in 2 sentences there is not a case to be made. just obfuscation.
***Talk about obfuscation. You are one tremendous CoLB provocateur. I gather that your learning curve is minimal, and if someone posts to you something that addresses your preciously held notion, you just dismiss it by saying the case has to be made in 2 sentences. Well here’s 2 sentences for you, even easier to make the case. YOU ARE A CoLB TROLL. YOUR PURPOSE IS TO PROVOKE, MAKING YOU A PROVOCATEUR.
You’re incognito huh?
I didn’t say you were God. I said you THOUGHT you were God.
You should be ashamed of yourself. But obviously you aren’t smart enough to know that.
You are a fool. Stupid, blind, naked fool.
Step aside and let those of us with brains and spines work this out. We will tell you when you can pull your head out of your backside again.
Now all I do is get called names and shown the same old DEBUNKED
recycled garbage that has been answered. 1000 times.
I have great interest in this case.
Why should that bother these folks?
“One of us is going to leave this forum.”
I’ve been here 8 years. See ya later.
“If you don’t like the subject why don’t you go play somewhere else.”
I like the truth, and I like debunking lies. Whether it is the lie that is socialism or the lie that Obama is not a natural born US citizen (he is), I will defend the truth as I see it.
“Obviously you are selling BS or don’t have a clue.”
No, just pointing out the emperor conspiracy monger has no clothes on this story.
“There is something when Mr. Obama would hire and pay attorneys rather than produce a $10.00 Birth Certificate.”
A COLB is a birth certificate.
“I had to provide one to get a Drivers license.
I had to provide one to get security and background.”
So did Obama. He did so when he got his US passport too.
Obama - a born in the USA socialist
“Geeeee.... Think one might have to provide
one to get their hands on the country’s vital secrets
and hold the office of president.”
He helpfully provided the COLB. If you dont think its good enough, well, for most of us it is.
http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html
It's pretty obvious. Now he tells me that Obama doesn't even pay him to work here. Shame. Whatever happened to "spreading the wealth around"?
Conspiracy kooks have NO sense of humor, do they? ... and a distorted view of reality.
Look in the mirror of your own words:
You should be ashamed of yourself. But obviously you aren’t smart enough to know that.
You are a fool. Stupid, blind, naked fool.
We will tell you when you can pull your head out of your backside again.
“This site used to be fun.”
If we get back to reality and stay away from the birth-cert-troother koolaid, it can be fun again.
Obama - a born in the USA socialist
That’s been a third hand rumor since day one that has conveniently never been properly sourced, just tossed around by the conspiracy mongers.
***There’s been a video posted. See it for yourself. No, I will not fetch it for you.
Oh, and the other guy - on “your side’ - Berg - is a 9/11 TRUTHER/LIAR CONSPIRACY THEORY KOOK. He has no special knowledge, just persistence and a law degree and an affinity for these kinds of stories.
***I agree. Berg is a kook. So if his theory held no water, the Supreme Court justice would not have forwarded it to his colleagues. So that means you need to take it up with a Supreme Court Justice. They’re kooks, too?
responsible conservative saddened to see FR sunk in the mire of Trootherism. I am sorry you have to believe in complicated fantasy rather than simple truth.
***And I’m sorry we have to deal with jerks like you, time and again, on these threads. If there was nothing to this, the Supremes wouldn’t have forwarded 2 cases. Deal with it, jerk.
The guy was born in Honolulu, simple as that.
***No he wasn’t, simple as that. If it really were that simple, he’d have produced the document long ago, just like McCain did.
The COLB is real. It’s not IMPOSSIBLE that it could be forged, but proving a possibility is NOT proving an actuality.
***Mumbo jumbo. There’s a reason why Obama only gave it to his buddies, and Polarik has shown that there is evidence of additional forgery. The resolution is painfully simple: release the document to whomever asks, just like McCain did. What’s so 9/11Troother about that?
THAT is what ends up being ‘no evidence at all’, those leaps into the hypothetical that is the real substance of the truther types.
***160 pages of evidence = ‘no evidence at all’. If it were as simple as you say, Obama would have released it to anyone. What’s your very simple explanation for that?
FUNNY HOW YOU IGNORE THE INCONVENIENT TRUTHS.
***I acknowledged it straight up. I didn’t ignore it. I have acknowledged it plenty of times in the past. Funny how you accuse a fellow freeper of ignoring inconvenient truths when it simply ain’t so. What else do you say that simply ain’t so?
“Why should we believe you, you are obviously not a Supreme Court Justice so they basically outrank you on this item.”
Yeah, but not SCOTUS Justice has said anything contrary to what I am saying,
***A classic argumentative fallacy: the argument from silence. They also haven’t said that you’re not from Mars. See how that argument falls apart real fast?
which is simply that Obama was born in Honolulu and there is no real evidence otherwise.
***More obfuscation on your part. Who’s the troother now?
I am with Michelle Malkin on this:
***I don’t care if you take your cues from others as to how to think. You need to learn how to think for yourself, and in particular take a critical thinking class at the local community college so you can avoid classic fallacies.
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There may be the seed of a legitimate constitutional issue to explore here — how is the citizenship requirement enforced for presidential candidates, anyway?
***Then let us explore it, leave us alone, stop being a first class jerk.
And at least Donofrio concedes that Obama was born in Hawaii.
***And 15 other lawsuits do not concede it.
But a dangerously large segment of the birth-certificate hunters have lurched into rabid Truther territory. The most prominent crusader against Obama’s American citizenship claim, lawyer Philip Berg (who, not coincidentally, is also a prominent 9/11 Truther) disputes that Obama was born in Hawaii and claims that Obama’s paternal grandmother told him she saw Obama born in Kenya.
***There’s more than jusb Berg vs. Obama on the Supreme Court Docket. Are you going to call all of them 9/11 Troothers? By the way, that argument is the classic fallacy of poisoning the well. Take that critical thinking class, you need it.
Berg and his supporters further assert that the “Certification of Live Birth” produced by Obama was altered or forged.
***The assertion of forgery was long before Berg filed his lawsuit.
They claim that the contemporaneous announcement in a Hawaii newspaper of Obama’s birth is insufficient evidence that he was born there. (Did a fortuneteller place it in the paper knowing he would run for president?)
***We already covered that. But you seem to have forgotten, in your haste to make Fellow FReepers look like 9/11 troothers. You are disingenuine at best, dishonest at worst.
And they accuse anyone who disagrees with them of being part and parcel of the grand plan to install Emperor Obama and usurp the rule of law.
***I accuse you of being a CoLB troll, that your purpose is to disrupt rather than edify, and in just a few short exchanges with you, you’ve ignored evidence and launched into tirades against fellow freepers plus used logical fallacies. You need to get a FReeping Grip on your thinking processes, TROLL.
I believe Trig was born to Sarah Palin.
***WhoTF cares?
I believe Barack Obama was born in Hawaii.
***That’s great that you believe it, it is not evidence. It’s just a statement of what you believe. I suppose we should all fall down all over ourselves because WOSG “believes” it.
I believe fire can melt steel and that bin Laden’s jihadi crew — not Bush and Cheney — perpetrated mass murder on 9/11. What kind of kooky conspiracist does that make me?”
***The worst kind. You are ignorant, and you completely disregard evidence that is put right in front of you. You try to use the classical fallacy that’s akin to false association so that these birth certificate folks look like 9/11 troothers. Take a critical thinking class, stop harrassing FReepers who happen to think along the same lines that TWO of our Supreme Court Justices think. Are you going to be accusing these justices of being 9/11 TRoothers?
You:
“I’ve been here 8 years. See ya later.”
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Wow! You’ve been here a whole month longer then the person you are making fun of.
Check DaveTesla’s sign up date. Or is that too complicated for you. Haven’t figured out how to do that over these long 8 years?
Do we need to bow down to your longevity?
We are not impressed by your length of time here. You are obviously a FINO.
“You are one tremendous CoLB provocateur.”
That’s a lie and a distortion. You can only resort to name-calling which more or less proves my point that the Polarik forgery claim are not amounting to much. Most of his 160 pages are about the older and irrelevent pics. This is not about me but about the facts - or lack thereof - behind the idea that Obama wasnt born in Honolulu on Aug 4th 1961, as all the evidence points to.
” I gather that your learning curve is minimal” - I have an aversion to false things, so you cant teach me to buy into a lie.
” YOUR PURPOSE IS TO PROVOKE, MAKING YOU A PROVOCATEUR.”
Those pushing the phony claim are provoking, I’m just defending common sense. Why are you attacking and provoking? Thats the question.
Cant you admit that the most likely reality scenario is in fact that Obama was born in Honolulu? If so, why attack me for holding that position?
Obama - a born in the USA socialist
If we get back to reality and stay away from the birth-cert-troother koolaid, it can be fun again.
***There are 5 cases for the Birth Certificate thing docketed with the Supreme Court. 2 cases have been forwarded to colleagues due to merit, so far. ARe you going to be calling members of the Supreme Court Koolaid Drinkers? Who do you think you are? Perhaps you think you’re some kind of superior FReeper who is above all this noise, that you get to use classic fallacies in your reasoning but everyone else has trouble with reality? What an incredible jerk!
That’s a lie and a distortion.
***It is neither. You are a CoLB troll who needs to take a critical thinking class. Your purpose is to provoke, and it is easily seen in just this exchange on this thread.
“If we get back to reality and stay away from the birth-cert-troother koolaid, it can be fun again.”
So disingenuous. You are the one who has inserted the troother cr*p.
“Conspiracy kooks have NO sense of humor, do they? ... and a distorted view of reality.”
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I have no sense of humor when it comes to someone joking about being God, NONE.
My view is very clear. No distortion.
You are not God. If you have any questions on this, see the First Commandment.
You can find it in a Book called The Bible. It should set you straight.
Most of his 160 pages are about the older and irrelevent pics. This is not about me but about the facts - or lack thereof - behind the idea that Obama wasnt born in Honolulu on Aug 4th 1961, as all the evidence points to.
***ALL the evidence? In one sentence there’s 160 pages, then you go into the next one and say ALL the evidence. Geez, you really do need to take that critical thinking class, TROLL. You just waltzed over 160 pages of evidence, AGAIN, so that you could continue to be a CoLB troll and disrupt fellow FReepers who want to get at the heart of the matter.
Those pushing the phony claim are provoking, I’m just defending common sense. Why are you attacking and provoking? Thats the question.
***If the claim were phony, easily seen by using common sense, then the Supreme Court would have thrown it out. Instead, we’ve seen 2 cases forwarded by the justices SO FAR. There are more than a dozen more cases. Why am I attacking? Because you are a provocative troll who waltzes over evidence that’s inconvenient for you, who uses classical fallacies, and who is basically a jerk. Why am I provoking? That’s just plain classic: It’s called Projection. Really, Really, you need to take some classes, dude. Learn to think critically.
Cant you admit that the most likely reality scenario is in fact that Obama was born in Honolulu?
***The most likely reality scenario is that McCain was born in Panama because he produced the birth certificate for everyone to see. The most likely scenario for Obama is that he has something to hide, and it could be his naturalized citizenship. When are you going to answer the question of why he hasn’t released the info just like McCain did? He already won the election, so what does he have to lose by releasing the information now? It’s just an embarrassment, whereas every second that passes by with Supreme Court cases, his future presidency is at risk.
If so, why attack me for holding that position?
***I do not attack you for holding that position. See, that there is another classic fallacy. It’s a straw argument. I attack you because you are a jerk, a provocateur, a pisspoor writer who uses classic fallacies, a CoLB troll who skims over evidence conflicting with your world view in your haste to paint fellow FReepers as 9/11 truthers.
Obama - a born in the USA socialist
***Obama - a born in Kenya socialist — just ask his gramma.
Kevmo, WOSG has already joked (stated) that he is God. He is just incognito.
So it is now obvious that this incredible jerk indeed believes himself to be superior to all other Freepers.
“So let it be written, so let it be done.” LOL!
What arrogance!
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