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Life’s irreducible structure—Part 2: naturalistic objections (materialist evolution impossible)
CMI ^ | Alex Williams

Posted on 12/08/2008 8:10:28 AM PST by GodGunsGuts

In Part I of this article,1 I argued as follows:

(i) Autopoiesis (self-making) is universal and therefore essential to life, so it is required at the beginning for life to exist and is thus not the end product of some long naturalistic process.

(ii) Each level of the autopoietic hierarchy is separated from the one below it by a Polanyi impossibility, so it cannot be reduced to any sequence of naturalistic causes.

(iii) There is an unbridgeable abyss between the autopoietic hierarchy and the dirty mass-action chemistry of the natural environment.

In this part, I test the integrity of this argument in the face of naturalistic objections to intelligent design. I then go on to assess evolutionary arguments for a naturalistic origin of life in the face of universally contradictory evidence...

(FOR PART 1 OF THIS INCREDIBLY IMPORTANT PAPER, SEE LINK IN REPLY #2)

(Excerpt) Read more at creationontheweb.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: autopoiesis; creation; evolution; intelligentdesign
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1 posted on 12/08/2008 8:10:28 AM PST by GodGunsGuts
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To: All

lINK TO PART 1:

http://creationontheweb.com/content/view/6172/


2 posted on 12/08/2008 8:10:55 AM PST by GodGunsGuts
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To: metmom; DaveLoneRanger; editor-surveyor; betty boop; Alamo-Girl; MrB; GourmetDan; Fichori; ...

PING!


3 posted on 12/08/2008 8:12:18 AM PST by GodGunsGuts
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To: GodGunsGuts
"In this part, I test the integrity of this argument in the face of naturalistic objections to intelligent design. I then go on to assess evolutionary arguments for a naturalistic origin of life in the face of universally contradictory evidence..."

And then I touch myself.

4 posted on 12/08/2008 8:16:13 AM PST by stormer
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To: stormer

You said — “And then I touch myself.”

I hope you didn’t catch any STDs... LOL...


5 posted on 12/08/2008 8:21:51 AM PST by Star Traveler
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To: GodGunsGuts

Is this satire? That’s one of the worst anti-evolution arguments I’ve ever seen. It doesn’t even accurately address Darwin’s theory and the modern synthesis. Most of the arguments in this article attack positions that don’t even exist in evolutionary biology. It’s just one gigantic strawman.

Besides, materialist evolution is fully compatible with Biblical genesis (if you let it be) and yet there is this need to continually attack it. Dawkins isn’t even a scientist, he’s a natural historian. His understanding of the scientific method is subpar at best.


6 posted on 12/08/2008 8:22:07 AM PST by Soothesayer (The United States of America Rest in Peace November 4 2008)
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To: Star Traveler

Hey! I resemble that remark!


7 posted on 12/08/2008 8:22:59 AM PST by stormer
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To: GodGunsGuts

“Here I use another principle—autopoiesis (self-making)—to show that all aspects of life lie beyond the reach of naturalistic explanations.”

This has to be a joke.


8 posted on 12/08/2008 8:23:51 AM PST by Soothesayer (The United States of America Rest in Peace November 4 2008)
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To: Soothesayer

Soothsayer, you obviously haven’t read this article. Nor have you responded to it or refuted it by calling it names.

Alex has done a reasonably good job outlining one of many reasons by naturalistic evolution provides only a very limited explanation for the structure and organized complexity of life. It’s time to stop pretending that it can work miracles and get on with science.


9 posted on 12/08/2008 8:24:37 AM PST by Liberty1970 (Democrats are not in control. God is. And Thank God for that!)
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To: GodGunsGuts

Can’t argue with that...


10 posted on 12/08/2008 8:25:15 AM PST by babygene (It seems that stupidity is the most abundant element in the universe)
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To: Soothesayer

His understanding of the scientific method is subpar at best.

How would you know?


11 posted on 12/08/2008 8:27:34 AM PST by babygene (It seems that stupidity is the most abundant element in the universe)
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To: GodGunsGuts

Interesting.

Begin bringing XPP-788 Nuclear-Fired Popcorn Popper to full reactivity. Withdraw control rods to maximum and stand by.


12 posted on 12/08/2008 8:28:18 AM PST by B-Chan (Catholic. Monarchist. Texan. Any questions?)
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To: babygene

Read some of Dawkin’s books.


13 posted on 12/08/2008 8:29:55 AM PST by Soothesayer (The United States of America Rest in Peace November 4 2008)
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To: babygene

Dawkins tries to mix philosophy with science and doesn’t succeed.


14 posted on 12/08/2008 8:31:09 AM PST by Soothesayer (The United States of America Rest in Peace November 4 2008)
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“Here I use another principle—autopoiesis (self-making)—to show that all aspects of life lie beyond the reach of naturalistic explanations.”

Perhaps he means beyond his ability to explain ...

15 posted on 12/08/2008 8:33:00 AM PST by freespirited (Honk to indict the MSM for treason.)
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Sounds like you have a personal problem that falls under the category of TMI.


16 posted on 12/08/2008 8:34:06 AM PST by GodGunsGuts
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==Is this satire?

You wish.

==That’s one of the worst anti-evolution arguments I’ve ever seen.

Proof that you didn’t read either paper.

==Most of the arguments in this article attack positions that don’t even exist in evolutionary biology.

That’s because the Evos are behind the curve, as per usual. Nevertheless, these two papers DESTROY meterialist evolution.

==Besides, materialist evolution is fully compatible with Biblical genesis

Care to elaborate?...


17 posted on 12/08/2008 8:37:35 AM PST by GodGunsGuts
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To: JasonC; AndrewC

I think I accidentally pinged JASONC when I meant to ping ANDREWC. If so, I apologize—GGG


18 posted on 12/08/2008 8:40:45 AM PST by GodGunsGuts
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To: GodGunsGuts

Lots of scientific sounding words. Now let’s see his experiments that have validated his hypothesis. Without it, it is philosophy resulting in an hypothesis, not science.


19 posted on 12/08/2008 8:44:44 AM PST by Soliton (This 2 shall pass)
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==Lots of scientific sounding words. Now let’s see his experiments that have validated his hypothesis.

Did you even bother reading the papers? From Part II:

“Here in Part II the argument from autopoiesis is tested against commonly cited naturalistic objections to intelligent design. It comes through soundly intact, even strengthened because the opponents of design agree on the facts.”


20 posted on 12/08/2008 8:48:32 AM PST by GodGunsGuts
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