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But Shelby, called it a "bridge loan to nowhere,”
1 posted on 12/07/2008 7:53:28 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

First of all, there is no Constitutional authority to give my money and your money to the automakers.

Doing this will only keep them pursuing the same bad policies which got them in this hole — plus a bunch of expensive liberal social nostrums that will make matters worse.

Chapter 11 could be the best thing that could happen to them. It woudl enable them to shed unsustainable obligations, streamline, and reorganize in a way that makes for a more efficient operation.

Contact your Representative and Senators and tell them to oppose the auto bailout.


2 posted on 12/07/2008 7:57:55 PM PST by TBP
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

The US auto industry has not yet pared to the bone. The retirees make more in retirement than many other Americans make in their yearly paycheck. I am a proud Toyota Corolla owner and I support a good company by buying a dependable vehicle at a fair price. Why should I be forced to support the Big 3 bozos with my tax money.


3 posted on 12/07/2008 8:01:41 PM PST by Ciexyz
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
”This is a big problem. It’s gonna get worse,” Obama warned on NBC’s “Meet the Press.” “Things are going to get worse before they get better,” he added.

Such deep insights... Incredible grasp of issues...
4 posted on 12/07/2008 8:02:42 PM PST by alecqss
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
"bridge loan to nowhere,”

Hey that's not too bad..LOL

5 posted on 12/07/2008 8:03:12 PM PST by lawnguy (The function of wisdom is to discriminate between good and evil-Cicero)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

I actually watched the hearings on CSPAN...

You could tell that the politicians, the auto executives, the lawyers, and the union bosses knew the outcome. The whole thing was a show trial, a formality, lots of lip service to the taxpayers, but nobody asked the ultimate question of why I (and YOU) should pay for someone else’s poor business decisions.


10 posted on 12/07/2008 8:13:09 PM PST by zarodinu
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

It is not a net benefit to the nation to take from people with a median family income of $50.233 and use it to keep people making $74/hr employed, especially when the latter group is “done making concessions”.


11 posted on 12/07/2008 8:14:51 PM PST by theBuckwheat
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

What do I say to this?


12 posted on 12/07/2008 8:14:56 PM PST by Tzimisce (http://groups.myspace.com/nailthemessiah)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
Senate: http://www.senate.gov/general/contact_information/senators_cfm.cfm

Reps: http://www.house.gov/

"This is a bridge loan to nowhere."

"This is a down payment on many billions to come,"

"This is 30 years in the making."

"These companies basically have failed or are failing. They probably need, according to some people, about 60 percent of the management to go, and about 40 percent downsize of the workers."

Sen. Shelby is correct.

15 posted on 12/07/2008 8:41:22 PM PST by CrystalD
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
President-elect Barack Obama on Sunday predicted more hard times for the U.S. economy before it starts to turn around,>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

WTF does that dick-head know? All he wants is people to be afraid so he can come "save them." He wants control, and the more bail outs we have, the more control Obama will have over the nations commerce. Obama has'nt enough clues to sit down and STFU. He is showing everyone that he is dumber than dirt, even for a POS born outside of the USA.

Of course its a bridge loan to nowhere. This is strictly fodder for the Unions for an industry that is way over staffed by line workers who earn 75 bucks an hour, and have pension plans envied by the whole nation. This is the Union attempt to extend their hog wallow for one more year or so.

Whats happened is that the Unions have ruined another perfectly good business. You will notice that Toyota is not Unionized, and its workers do quite well.And Toyota thrives.

NO UNION BAILOUT. Let the big 3 file for Bankruptcy and work their way out of it, and EFF the Unions.We can all drive Toyotas if they do not make it.

16 posted on 12/07/2008 8:42:14 PM PST by Candor7 (Fascism? All it takes is for good men to say nothing, ( member NRA)
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I wish Dick Shelby were president elect.

BTW, he knows where Obama was born. The State of Alabama has the ammunition to save the nation from this POS Obama, if they would only use it.

17 posted on 12/07/2008 8:45:10 PM PST by Candor7 (Fascism? All it takes is for good men to say nothing, ( member NRA)
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Bailing out any carmaker to allow them to contimue in a market that is not big enough for all the players is just stupid. No matter how much money gov’t hands out, they can’t increase the market. Somebody needs to shrink or go away.


18 posted on 12/07/2008 8:53:32 PM PST by umgud (I'm really happy I wasn't aborted)
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Boy, my senators have been right on everything, Sessions on immigration and now Shelby on bailouts:

"“This is a down payment on many billions to come," Shelby warned. "This is not something that happened overnight. This is 30 years in the making. These companies basically have failed or are failing. They probably need, according to some people, about 60 percent of the management to go, and about 40 percent downsize of the workers."

21 posted on 12/07/2008 9:44:45 PM PST by blam
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But Shelby, called it a "bridge loan to nowhere,”

I hope Shelby has to eat his words on this one. It's vital to the health of the country that we have a strong auto industry. The Auto Industry has worked very hard over the past 4-5 to turn things around. They were within site of their goal when hit with the double whammy of a spike in oil/gas prices which crushed their sales and then the financial crisis came right behind this. Very few people are buying cars NOW but eventually the customers will come back. GM and Ford have some really exciting cars out there now and more on the way. If they can make it through the next 18 months they will recover.

That said the UAW must reduce their compensation to competitive levels. There must be something done about the legacy costs. These are burdens that the foreign car manufacturers here to not have.

This Shelby thinks that Alabama is a player in the Auto Industry because there are a couple of foreign Auto Manufacturers there doing low-tech final assembly. Shelby thinks that this is Manufacturing. He's as dumb as a box of rocks on this issue.
22 posted on 12/07/2008 9:46:19 PM PST by truthguy (Good intentions are not enough!)
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Good! Now the rest of the GOP needs to get a spine now and block this damn thing for as long as they can. Enough with the bailouts.
38 posted on 12/08/2008 3:51:38 AM PST by tobyhill (No Honeymoon For Obama.)
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One of the arguments we hear is how the auto industry is more than Detroit, it's dealers around the country and a host of other businesses that have to stay in business, and so if you're against the bailout, you're doing away with these businesses and throwing all these people out of work. The cold, heartless bastard argument.

The bigger issue, and you see it with globaloney warming among other things, is that the libs are seeking to remove dynamism out of life by telling us we have to preserve the conditions that exist at a particular point in time whether they be climate conditions or the state of an industry including the number of businesses and employees. Every policy they have is designed to manage a steady state which is contrary to nature and the only way they can do that is by strict control. Bailing out the auto industry comes with strings not because they want to hold them accountable, but because the libs want to maintain the snapshot they have of it. So how ever many businesses and employees exist at the time of their snapshot, that's how many businesses and employees they will seek to maintain no matter what it takes. Central planners, who cannot control the teenagers in their own houses and don't learn a thing from their failures there, somehow think they can control entire industries and ultimately the economy. They cannot, of course, but they'll ruin the economy trying and far too many here in this country are now willing to allow it.

39 posted on 12/08/2008 3:58:04 AM PST by Dahoser (America's great untapped alternative energy source: The Founding Fathers spinning in their graves.)
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Senator Shelby picked a great way to celebrate Pearl Harbor Day. By relentlessly attacking a vital American industry and advocating a course of action that would cause that industry and the technological base it supports to disappear, as well as ensuring the domination of the American and indeed global auto market by Japan for decades to come, he has no doubt caused much rejoicing in the Land of the Rising Sun. It’s only a shame Hirohito and Tojo weren’t around to see Shelby attacking an industry that was instrumental in helping to defeat them. They would have been so proud of him.


66 posted on 12/08/2008 5:23:04 AM PST by Thorin ("I won't be reconstructed, and I do not give a damn.")
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I would agree to a bailout on one condition. That all officers and board members immediately step down with no severance.


84 posted on 12/08/2008 6:18:38 AM PST by dfwgator (I hate Illinois Marxists)
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Good for Senator Shelby. There is no reason why auto workers in non-union states (or anyone else for that matter) should subsidize UAW “legacy” promises which weren’t realistic then and are even less realistic now.


92 posted on 12/08/2008 7:10:46 AM PST by Vigilanteman (Are there any men left in Washington? Or, are there only cowards? Ahmad Shah Massoud)
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I'd like to see all three companies survive as lean, innovative, modern manufacturers with rebranded product lines that are somewhat scarce and in great demand.

But none of them are going to survive by cranking out mediocre cars in quantities 40-50% higher than the American market can absorb and in turn needing to promulgate absurd credit schemes to make their products virtually free to consumers in the short term. If that's the only way they know how to do business, then they'll have to go bankrupt.

Toyota, BMW, and Boeing can buy up whatever assets have commercial or military value and repurpose the production lines to make products that will sell. Big Three bankruptcies aren't going to be the "disaster" that would prevent us from having enough trucks and tanks to win WWII again, should the need ever arise.

94 posted on 12/08/2008 7:21:18 AM PST by Mr. Jeeves ("One man's 'magic' is another man's engineering. 'Supernatural' is a null word." -- Robert Heinlein)
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thought is was Caroll Shelby and there would be some nice mustang pics. no such luck.


100 posted on 12/08/2008 7:48:51 AM PST by thefactor (yes, as a matter of fact, i DID only read the excerpt)
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