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To: Erik Latranyi
Despite it being a left leaning paper.

I do not rejoice any newspaper disappearing.

16 posted on 12/07/2008 3:31:27 PM PST by BGHater (Obama is a Neocon.)
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To: BGHater
I do not rejoice any newspaper disappearing.

I have to agree. My concern is that freedom of the "press" may not automatically extend to electronic media. Especially if the "fairness doctrine" gets reinstated. Has the supreme court ever ruled that electronic media is guaranteed the same protections as print media?
33 posted on 12/07/2008 3:43:17 PM PST by TruthBeforeAll (The easier it is to vote, the more stupid and lazy people will vote.)
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To: BGHater

I feel the same way. The more the better - more media, more informed people. I also like magazines, and have been giving gift subscriptions to friends, as a practical gesture of support.


55 posted on 12/07/2008 4:21:32 PM PST by BlackVeil
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To: BGHater

Your tolerance is the reason Conservatives suck hind tit.

A good enemy is a dead enemy. A good librag is a dead lib rag.


60 posted on 12/07/2008 4:32:37 PM PST by bert (K.E. N.P. +12 . Save America......... put out lots of wafarin)
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To: BGHater

I’ve been praying for the destruction of the liberal American media for years ... but, the sheeple get their “facts” from that media. And it has been effective.

What really needs to happen now is an effective way to get the truth to the sheeple.


75 posted on 12/07/2008 5:18:31 PM PST by Let's Roll (Stop paying ACORN to destroy America! Cut off their government funding!)
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To: BGHater; TruthBeforeAll; BlackVeil; bert; Let's Roll; ebiskit; Obadiah; Mind-numbed Robot; A.Hun; ..
Despite it being a left leaning paper.

I do not rejoice any newspaper disappearing.

I have to agree. My concern is that freedom of the "press" may not automatically extend to electronic media. Especially if the "fairness doctrine" gets reinstated. Has the supreme court ever ruled that electronic media is guaranteed the same protections as print media?
The fallacy in that argument lies in the planted assumption that newspapers are free and independent. In truth, journalism is a singular noun. Journalism as we know it is a mid-Nineteenth Century development, a product of the development of the telegraph and of the Associated Press, which has been a monopolistic organization from its inception (and which was held by SCOTUS to be in violation of the Sherman Antitrust Act back in 1945).

That is the explanation for the transformation of the fiercely independent, openly political newspapers of the founding era (and into the middle of the Nineteenth Century) into the self-described "objective press" of today. That homogenization of reporting was the natural result of the acquisition by the newspapers of a (single) source of news which is not available to the general public except by reading the newspaper. The business model of journalism as we know it hinges on the perception that all those AP news stories are reliable and balanced, not hokum or propaganda. Thus, "all reporters are objective." That is a statement to which only a homogenized - not independent and therefore not free - press could subscribe, and to which the Associated Press and its membership must, of business necessity, subscribe.

The death of the "Fairness" Doctrine enabled the revival of a free press - in the form of talk radio. Don't be deceived by claims of "scarcity of bandwidth" or "monopolization of talk radio by the right." Or by claims that "the press" includes only ink-on-paper communication.

The Antifederalists who demanded a bill of rights in the Constitution were opposed by the Federalists, not because they opposed the rights in the first ten amendments but because they held that a bill of rights would not be exhaustive of the rights already implied in the Constitution and they feared that any rights not specifically mentioned in the Bill of Rights would be denigrated - that the Bill would become a ceiling rather than a floor on the rights of the people. Consequently it is established jurisprudence that the body of the Constitution is to be read as the Federalists promoted it to the people who ratified it - as including within itself all the rights articulated in the Bill of Rights.

If you read the Constitution that way the words "the press" fade out, and words like "No title of nobility shall be granted by the United States" (Article 1 Section 9) come into focus. Because what the Associated Press and its membership has done is to lobby for a title of nobility - "the press" - which gives them privileges to be withheld from the people. "The freedom of . . . the press" is actually the right of the people to spend their own money to use technology to promote their own (political, religious, and other) opinions.

If you do not read "the press" as a ceiling on our rights, and if you read in Article 1 Section 8 that the federal government is explicitly authorized "to promote the progress of science and useful arts, by securing for limited times to authors and inventors the exclusive right to their respective writings and discoveries," you will find in the Constitution no warrant for the claim that the framers of the Constitution expected no advances in the arts of communication and that therefore the Constitution does not cover high speed presses, photography, telegraphy, telephony, sound recording, radio, mimeograph machines, movies, talking movies, television, photocopiers, hi-fi steros, computer/printer combinations, Compact Disks, HDTV, DVDs, satellite radio, the Internet and the worldwide web - or whatever comes next.

It is in my experience a great mistake to try to prove that journalism is not objective - for the simple reason that that is a political opinion. You would do just as well to expect to be able, in an hour's conversation, to convert a Democrat to a Republican. My point is not the mere fact that I can cite examples of tendentiousness in journalism until the cows come home, and my point is not simply that no one can prove that journalism is objective because lack of bias is an unprovable negative. My point is that I have a right to listen to Rush Limbaugh, provided only that he makes his program available to me on terms that I am able and willing to meet, without reference to what a politician or judge, or all of them, think of Rush Limbaugh's opinions. Just as surely as your garden variety "sheeple" has a right to listen to Katie Couric. A government which distinguishes between the two is not operating under the Constitution.

The Right to Know


109 posted on 12/08/2008 4:59:06 AM PST by conservatism_IS_compassion (We already HAVE a fairness doctrine. It's called, "the First Amendment." Accept no substitute.)
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To: BGHater
Dosn’t bother me in the slightest

let the bloggers and Internet take over,the press is too politically biased to be of any use

118 posted on 12/08/2008 6:53:01 AM PST by Charlespg
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