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Someone explain to me exactly how the Federal Government can step in and "save" homeowners like these from foreclosure, even though that is exactly the legal process that needs to occur to fix this.

How is it Constitutional for the Federal Government to "bail out" one set of homeowners like are described in this story at the expense of we people who are responsible homeowners??

I have a very difficult time feeling sorry for people like the Andersons, or anyone else who agreed to a mortgage on these terms, and is now simply walking away.

God save us from greedy people like the Andersons, as well as a Democratic Congress who wants to help prop them up....

1 posted on 12/07/2008 9:17:56 AM PST by Bean Counter
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A bit small, but this just leaves me shaking my head...



2 posted on 12/07/2008 9:20:08 AM PST by Bean Counter (Stout Hearts.....)
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I have a very difficult time feeling sorry for people like the Andersons
I couldn't agree more. They're portrayed as victims, when in actuality, they were the problem.
3 posted on 12/07/2008 9:23:40 AM PST by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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We own a few investment properties, the last one purchased for cash in late 2000. We watched all the flip shows and saw through the lies upon which they were built. We did our homework and decided not to pick anything else up until the market values started to make sense again. We expect to buy somebody's mistake in 2009 but we might wait even longer for the bottom.

These people were fools....there is an old saw about fools and their money.

5 posted on 12/07/2008 9:28:33 AM PST by wtc911 ("How you gonna get back down that hill?")
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What made them think they could buy a home and then simply flip it for a neat 25% profit (~150K) just weeks later?

Did they think everyone else was just dumb?


6 posted on 12/07/2008 9:29:02 AM PST by EyeGuy
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Am I understanding this correctly, they bought a NEW house at the height of the housing boom expecting to sell it at a handsome profit? That just doesn’t make sense.


8 posted on 12/07/2008 9:34:36 AM PST by pepperdog (The world has gone crazy.)
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I was walking by a crap table once in vegas, a lady just put bet after bet on the same spot and won about four time in a row. I put my twenty down beside hers. Now the house has both of our monies. LOL
9 posted on 12/07/2008 9:36:39 AM PST by org.whodat (Conservatives don't vote for Bailouts for Super-Rich Bankers! Republicans do!)
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I bought a piece of property in the Northwest in 2002 and built a house on it in 2005. A vacation/retirement house.

I got a 4.75% fixed loan for the property and paid for the construction mostly with savings and out-of-pocket. It’s small, but nice. Not extravagant and sprawling. It was something I could AFFORD.

I’m not patting myself on the back, here, for being smarter than the average bear. Honestly I made plenty of stupid mistakes, but speculating and gambling that I’d be able to make a killing in the housing market was not one of them.


11 posted on 12/07/2008 9:40:08 AM PST by agooga (Struggling every day to be worthy of their sacrifice.)
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So these old people believed everything a salesman told them, lost only $100,000 on the second home, and get to keep the original house they live in, and the taxpayers are supposed to make up the losses?

This is a small parable to explain why this country will fall. Not because of muslim terrorists, or other external threats, but because we read this article and feel sorry for these people.

13 posted on 12/07/2008 9:41:17 AM PST by Bernard (If you always tell the truth, you never have to remember exactly what you said.)
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This is a second home. They are speculators. Why should we bail them out?
16 posted on 12/07/2008 9:49:29 AM PST by marsh2
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It's this kind of activity that contributed greatly to the housing price bubble.

It's plain old insane that Americans are subject to prices created by speculation for the basics of life such as a home and gasoline.

Of course, the type of house they were dealing in was hardily a typical home. But, still the concept has a trickle down impact that affected everyone. I can't say I have sympathy for folks like this. I'll save that for the folks pushed into higher mortgages for a basic home because of this speculative insanity.

Let's hope no one corners the market on water.

19 posted on 12/07/2008 9:55:28 AM PST by Barnacle (God help us.)
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I bought some stock when it was high...hoping it would go higher but it went lower and I lost money. Can somebody bail me out? It’s really not fair !


20 posted on 12/07/2008 9:55:49 AM PST by fifthestate
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You cold, cruel SOB. These poor retirees were just trying to improve their nest egg. Now you want to hold them accountable for their own personal investment decisions? How can you be so heartless? It’s our obligation to pay more taxes to help out these hapless souls. I know I am undertaxed and am only more than happy to fork over more money to prevent more of these sad cases from going to foreclosure. We should all do our patriotic duty and send more money to Washington.


22 posted on 12/07/2008 9:57:27 AM PST by ProtectOurFreedom
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These people made bad business decisions and bad bets. That doesn't make them any greedier than anyone else, just less successful in what they tried. No one is going to bail them out, either, because it is a second home. They'll have to pay the piper, and that's right, but if we place to much of an onus on "greed", then why should anyone ever take a chance?

Capitalism implies a profit motive, which is another word for greed. Let them succeed if they can, but if they fail, then that's on them.

The real greed is on Wall Street, where trillions of dollars of securities where sold on the foolish notion that markets will always go up, never down, and risk is spread out so widely as to be inconsiderable. All false, but because they had such powerful allies in Washington then they where bailed out, at our expense.

We all said "let them fail", but that's not what our overlords in Washington wanted.

23 posted on 12/07/2008 9:58:38 AM PST by Batrachian
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The government is not supposed to save people from themselves. Who would be so stupid to buy an investment property in an undeveloped area, where there are no jobs?


24 posted on 12/07/2008 10:00:52 AM PST by Eva (CHANGE- the post modern euphemism for Marxist revolution.)
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From the article: "It was the next dot-com," says Jeff Tabler, 40, who bought a discounted Francesca Lane home at an auction in January. "Anyone who thought they could speculate on it did speculate on it."

What makes him think he's not speculating that the bottom has been reached. The article says the glut of empty lots and partially built homes there will depress prices for "months if not years". Buying a grossly-overprised home at a 20% discount in a falling market is not, IMHO, a good practice.

27 posted on 12/07/2008 10:13:19 AM PST by Oatka ("A society of sheep must in time beget a government of wolves." –Bertrand de Jouvenel)
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These were speculators. they took risk in order to make a profit. They lost their gamble. There is always risk associated with this sort of transaction. Although Wall Street is working very hard to eliminate risk, it won’t work.


34 posted on 12/07/2008 11:00:04 AM PST by bronxboy
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Greedy speculator gets burned.


37 posted on 12/07/2008 11:37:33 AM PST by PAR35
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“How is it Constitutional for the Federal Government to “bail out” one set of homeowners like are described in this story at the expense of we people who are responsible homeowners??”

It isn’t.

Some folks are now more equal than others.


43 posted on 12/07/2008 12:02:52 PM PST by AuntB (The right to vote in America: Blacks 1870; Women 1920; Native Americans 1925)
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