Posted on 12/06/2008 9:43:49 PM PST by pissant
The continuing efforts of a fringe group of conservatives to deny Obama his victory and to lay the basis for the claim that he is not a legitimate president is embarrassing and destructive. The fact that these efforts are being led by Alan Keyes, an unhinged demagogue on the political fringe who lost a senate election to the then unknown Obama by 42 points should be a warning in itself.
This tempest over whether Obama, the child of an American citizen, was born on American soil is tantamount to the Democrats' seditious claim that Bush "stole" the election in Florida and hence was not the legitimate president. This delusion helped to create the Democrats' Bush derangement syndrome and encouraged Democratic leaders to lie about the origins of the Iraq War, and regard it as illegitimate as Bush himself. It became "Bush's War" rather than an American War with destructive consequences for our troops and our cause.
The Birth Certificate zealots are essentially arguing that 64 million voters should be disenfranchised because of a contested technicality as to whether Obama was born on U.S. soil. (McCain narrowly escaped the problem by being born in the Panama Canal zone, which is no longer American.)
What difference does it make to the future of this country whether Obama was born on US soil? Advocates of this destructive campaign will argue that the Constitutional principle regarding the qualifications for President trumps all others. But how viable will our Constitution be if 5 Supreme Court justices should decide to void 64 million ballots?
Conservatives are supposed to respect the organic nature of human societies. Ours has been riven by profound disagreements that have been deepening over many years. We are divided not only about political facts and social values, but also about what the Constitution itself means. The crusaders on this issue choose to ignore these problems and are proposing to deny the will of 64 million voters by appealing to 5 Supreme Court Justices (since no one is delusional enough to think that the 4 liberal justices are going to take the presidency away from Obama). What kind of conservatism is this?
It is not conservatism; it is sore loserism and quite radical in its intent. Respect for election results is one of the most durable bulwarks of our unity as a nation. Conservatives need to accept the fact that we lost the election, and get over it; and get on with the important business of reviving our country's economy and defending its citizens, and -- by the way -- its Constitution.
. A lot of people think that's why he went to Hawaii recently to do just that.
Look at your language:
I am desperate, I am playing games, I make you disgusted...
Now answer the question...
Section 1 of Article II of the Constitution
“No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of
the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this
Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President;
neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who
shall not have attained to the Age of thirty five Years,
and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.”
When will Mr. Obama releases his long form birth certificate?
So guilty until proven innocent? Yep, that's the good ole American way.
You and the others pushing this ridiculous issue (Alan Keyes among them) sound like MoveOn.org. The time for it to be raised is long past.
It was raised many months ago, you retard.
Or perhaps, if pursued, this issue would make our entire political system rightfully look like a laughingstock. Talk about a Banana Republic. This issue is just about as ridiculous and far-fetched as pinning hope on Palin.
Closer to raving lunatics...
Well the argument was lost back then, and it'll be lost again very soon.
And the name-calling - classy!
"Closer to raving lunatics..." (Swordfished) STE=Q
"Closer to raving lunatics..." (Swordfished)
STE=Q
You’re wasting your time. They will just regurgitate the same mindless talking points again and again. Nothing you say will cause them to think about the issue or reconsider their position.
I know. I just had to vent. Funny we have our own 'truthers' now.
Actually there is something of a mix-up. I was posting to pissant. Sorry! I guess I am one of those ‘truthers’.
So why are you here?
To tell us: Never mind the republic.
You have a chance to stop the gun grabbing, Hitler Youth movement, Military destroying, redistribution of someone else's hard earned blood and sweat, communist usurper.
Do you seize it?
No you ridicule the ones that give it their best.
Dam good thing the founding Forefathers didn't think like you.
They wanted us to stop this sort of thing.
Enjoy your serfdom.
You don't deserve this country.
“Actually there is something of a mix-up. I was posting to pissant. Sorry! I guess I am one of those ‘truthers’.”
Sorry for the post.
Make it for Swordfished.
No problem, it was my fault for messing up who it was supposed to be addressed to.
These people are making me sick.
My children are going to have to live with the aftermath
of these communist American hating constitution hating
usurpers are going to cause.
I lived through Carter and this guy will be 10x worse.
Our enemy's are dancing in the street.
I am leaving this forum before I get thrown off.
Thanks for your synopsis. Given how accurate your characterization of Hannity is, I buy the rest of it.
The CONSTITUTION IS the 'bulwark' of our 'unity as a nation' -- you dullard!
If the Constitution fails the question of 'respect for election results' will become moot!
What does 'respect for election results' mean, anyway?
You mean even if the candidate blatantly and deliberately defrauds the electorate: respect for 'results' should prevail?
Thus, 'the ends (votes) would justify the means'(fraud) -- if only one can pull it off!
Sounds like Alinsky's 'rules for radicals' David!
Mr. Horowitz appears to be suffering from radical 'flashbacks' syndrome?
Maybe he's becoming unhinged!
STE=Q
The job the affirmative action candidate is applying for requires that he prove he is eligible for the job based upon Constitutionally defined stipulations. He hasn’t done that and in fact has spent a huge amount of money hiding his documents which expose his history for We The People hiring this little fraudulent squirrel. That is rather significant since he may in fact have displayed divided loyalties on occasion (as in applying for college entry and/or funding, etc.) and the Constitutional provision he must meet are aimed at preventing such a person from holding the Presidency.
Essentially they don’t understand because they think they are special. They think what happened to the Germans in the 30’s or the Russians under the Bolsheviks is the history of foreigners. They cannot see that the rule of law is all that keeps groups of armed thugs, or the howl of the mob from determining national policy.
“It can’t happen here and Obama couldn’t have gotten away with this.” They have no real reason for why Obama couldn’t have done this, and close their minds to Obama’s own relatives telling them that he did.
Obama himself could tell them flat out that he was born in Kenya, and they would still sit there telling the rest of us why making a fuss is Truther territory and counter-productive.
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