Posted on 12/06/2008 9:43:49 PM PST by pissant
The continuing efforts of a fringe group of conservatives to deny Obama his victory and to lay the basis for the claim that he is not a legitimate president is embarrassing and destructive. The fact that these efforts are being led by Alan Keyes, an unhinged demagogue on the political fringe who lost a senate election to the then unknown Obama by 42 points should be a warning in itself.
This tempest over whether Obama, the child of an American citizen, was born on American soil is tantamount to the Democrats' seditious claim that Bush "stole" the election in Florida and hence was not the legitimate president. This delusion helped to create the Democrats' Bush derangement syndrome and encouraged Democratic leaders to lie about the origins of the Iraq War, and regard it as illegitimate as Bush himself. It became "Bush's War" rather than an American War with destructive consequences for our troops and our cause.
The Birth Certificate zealots are essentially arguing that 64 million voters should be disenfranchised because of a contested technicality as to whether Obama was born on U.S. soil. (McCain narrowly escaped the problem by being born in the Panama Canal zone, which is no longer American.)
What difference does it make to the future of this country whether Obama was born on US soil? Advocates of this destructive campaign will argue that the Constitutional principle regarding the qualifications for President trumps all others. But how viable will our Constitution be if 5 Supreme Court justices should decide to void 64 million ballots?
Conservatives are supposed to respect the organic nature of human societies. Ours has been riven by profound disagreements that have been deepening over many years. We are divided not only about political facts and social values, but also about what the Constitution itself means. The crusaders on this issue choose to ignore these problems and are proposing to deny the will of 64 million voters by appealing to 5 Supreme Court Justices (since no one is delusional enough to think that the 4 liberal justices are going to take the presidency away from Obama). What kind of conservatism is this?
It is not conservatism; it is sore loserism and quite radical in its intent. Respect for election results is one of the most durable bulwarks of our unity as a nation. Conservatives need to accept the fact that we lost the election, and get over it; and get on with the important business of reviving our country's economy and defending its citizens, and -- by the way -- its Constitution.
You’ve got freep-mail.
I agree. Did you happen to read on Leo's site about Chester Author? Leo says he is the only President in our history that obviously lied about his birth/family information in order to take office. Back then it was much easier to cover up, but researchers now can and will get to truth in time.
It is obvious that our Socialist media has done a great job of covering and not asking questions so lots of information about Obama has been kept from the public. Scary thing is that so many Americans didn't care to find out ANYTHING about him. Maybe now the Supreme Court Justices will cause light to shine on the truth. All I care about is that our Constitution is upheld, no matter who is President!
“Not once have I see them go “personal” (or postal”) on a fellow freeper, regardless of the position. “
“Okey doke Santa”
But you felt the need to mock me. Gee I would call that personal.
Section 1 of Article II of the Constitution
“No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of
the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this
Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President;
neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who
shall not have attained to the Age of thirty five Years,
and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.”
Now when Mr. Obama releases his long form birth certificate I will be satisfied.
“In a single-issue domain, you'd be just fine.”
But it is a single issue.
Was Mr. Obama born in Kenya or Hawaii and did he have an Indonesian passport.
Is Mr. Obama a Natural Born Citizen? Case closed.
“downright petty”
No the Constitution is not downright petty.
Look at the words you use here, Petty , constitution is
melted plastic, etc.
You think that Alinsky psychology will change or shame
us into changing our minds?
We are not as stupid as you think.
"Do you have someone collecting freeper names for the next purge based on this issue? Just wondering."
No, why would you ask a question like that?
Lighten up, nobody likes a curmudgeon.
whoa nelly. Talk about a load of crap. It is such a simple proposition. Either he is natural born or he is not. If he is not, he steps aside. Period. If he is, he demonstrates such and has a 4 year term as POTUS.
It’s amazing, ain’t it?
Frankly, it’s a real headscratcher. It would be one thing to argue that you he has no confidence that a proper resolution will be reached (I have my doubts as well), or that he really, really believes Osama is a natty born citizen (for whatever reason), but to do his level best to discredit the thousands of staunch conservatives from the inquiry is asinine.
I’m curious what the legal precedents are that define “natural born” citizen. My impression was that anyone born here is a natural born citizen.
All kinds of people are outing them selves.
And will continue to do so.
Over something so simple as produce a long form birth certificate.
As if we didn't suspect....
Thank you so much Jim Robinson!
If you didn't have a BC, the State Department would have accepted other forms of identification.
from the State Department Website:
"Secondary Evidence of U.S. Citizenship
If you cannot present primary evidence of U.S. citizenship, you must submit secondary evidence of U.S. citizenship. Determine what form of secondary evidence is most appropriate for your situation based on the descriptions below. Each application is handled on a case-by-case basis. The scenarios below are intended as general guidance.
# Baptismal certificate
# Hospital birth certificate
# Census record
# Early school record
# Family bible record
# Doctor's record of post-natal care
Or
Letter of No Record
If you were born in the United States and cannot present primary evidence of U.S. citizenship because you do not have a previous U.S. passport or a certified U.S. birth certificate of any kind, you must present a state-issued Letter of No Record showing:
-snip-
And
Delayed Birth Certificate
If you were born in the United States and cannot present primary evidence of U.S. citizenship because your U.S. Birth Certificate was not filed within the first year of your birth, you may submit a Delayed U.S. Birth Certificate. A Delayed U.S. Birth Certificate filed more than one year after your birth may be acceptable if:
check image It lists the documentation used to create it (preferably early public records) and check image It is signed by the birth attendant or lists an affidavit signed by the parents
Letter of No Record
If you were born in the United States and cannot present primary evidence of U.S. citizenship because you do not have a previous U.S. passport or a certified U.S. birth certificate of any kind, you must present a state-issued Letter of No Record showing:
check image Your name
check image Your date of birth
check image The years for which a birth record was searched
check image Acknowledgement that no birth certificate was found on file
Form DS-10: Birth Affidavit
-snip-
Foreign Birth Documnts + Parent(s) Citizenship" Evidence"
-snip-
http://travel.state.gov/passport/get/Secondary%20Evidence/Secondary%20Evidence_4315.html
As you see they're are plenty of ways to get a passport and opportunities to game the system, which Obama may have taken advantage..
“I’m curious what the legal precedents are that define “natural born” citizen. My impression was that anyone born here is a natural born citizen.”
Early on, it was my impression too. I have read so much and have learned so much! Leo explains the “natural born” per the Constitution so well, and I believe he is correct.
Everyone born on US soil is a citizen. But to be a “natural born” citizen, one’s parents must be citizens at the time of one’s birth.
Horowitz has long been a major force in conservatism. His Front Page site is excellent and brings so many to the conservative way as well as highlighting issues the MSM refuses to talk about.
This Bush bashing and other conservatives who truly have worked hard is so disgusting. we can make our arguments with that..leave that to the Lefties...We don’t eat our own!
Freeper is not DailyKos.
Is there some legal precedent for this definition?
But I ken now that you've taken that of yours and my comparison of your words to that of a Santa, as "mocking" you. So sorry.
The personal attacks are petty. That's what I posted on and you know it. Or, is it rather that you'd rather appear desperate, that you play such games.
Fie!
I think you are right seekthetruth,I’m just hoping it all happens in time.
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