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Detroit has run out of road. The car's future lies in Europe (Hurl-o-matic)
The London Guardian ^ | December 7, 2008 | Will Hutton

Posted on 12/06/2008 5:23:52 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet

The car was the symbol of the prewar 20th century. Henry Ford's Model T, Volkswagen's people's car and even Britain's Morris Oxford were more than just industrial products. Suddenly, industrialisation was able to offer the mass of consumers cheap, convenient and individual mobility. The car changed industrial civilisations and their cultures.

Detroit was the undisputed centre of the industry. It manufactured more cars than anywhere else - four out of five across the globe as late as the mid 1950s. Its cars shaped American society. Americans yearned to climb into its Buicks, Cadillacs and Mustangs. The cars denoted your identity and your ambitions. The mobility spawned America's vast, sprawling suburbs. 'What is good for General Motors is good for America,' said its then chairman and chief executive Charlie Wilson. He captured an important truth.

Now, America's big three car companies - General Motors, Ford and Chrysler - are fighting for their lives. Last week, they presented last-ditch restructuring plans to Congress, promising a massive increase in fuel-efficient cars and a cessation of corporate excess as the quid pro quo for more than $30bn of soft loans and stand-by credits. Without them, General Motors and Chrysler will be forced into administration; Ford, in a stronger position, could be brought down too.

The US, already reeling from the loss of half-a-million jobs last month, would face the loss of millions more and the collapse of a key part of its manufacturing base. This is more than an appeal for a bail-out: it is American capitalism and society at a crossroads.

Many different crises coincide here. There is a crisis of lack of demand created by the credit crunch, with November sales down 40 per cent. There is a crisis of production.

(Excerpt) Read more at guardian.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Editorial; Government; Politics/Elections; US: Michigan
KEYWORDS: 110th; automakers; automobiles; bailouts; bigthree; bush; congress; detroit; economy; energy; financialcrisis; oil
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

“The car’s future lies in Europe (Hurl-o-matic)”

In Europe recently, we choked on diesel exhaust outdoors and cigarette smoke indoors. They seem to be candidates for lung disease over there.

European cars are small, that’s all. So are some of their city streets.


41 posted on 12/07/2008 5:43:46 AM PST by RoadTest (By their fruits shall ye know them.)
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To: Cronos

I can live just fine on $70 a barrel.


42 posted on 12/07/2008 10:56:09 AM PST by kempo
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To: Cronos; All
My worry is the GM management’s willpower — Ford’s management has demonstrated that they want to change and turn-around their company. however, I haven’t seen such commitment from GM’s management

What would it take for you to see the commitment you refer to? If GM spending billions on the Volt and the other extended electric hybrids isn't commitment, what would be? Yes we all know about the UAW problem and that is the PROBLEM. If not for UAW, the auto companies would be in at least decent shape. How is Ford managing the UAW problem better than GM? How have they demonstrated they want change more than GM? I really don't understand.
43 posted on 12/07/2008 2:33:23 PM PST by truthguy (Good intentions are not enough!)
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To: Cronos; All
Detroit has resisted every regulatory measure aimed at making more energy-efficient cars for decades, but it was particularly successful during the Bush administration. It avoided introducing the fuel-efficient cars the big three manufacture in more tightly regulated Europe, opting for high-margin gas guzzlers for the US domestic market. Now it is paying a fearful price he's right on that count

No he isn't right. You need to learn about the way CAFE operates. CAFE is an acronym for Corporate Average Fuel Economy. This means each corporation must meet the requirement across the board will ALL the Vehicles. The key words are average and corporate. Now a company like Honda which makes only small cars or mostly small cars can easily meet the CAFE standards. But the US car companies sell more large cars, trucks, and SUV's. Why? Because they can actually make a profit on these vehicles. It's nearly impossible to make a profit on a small car in the US given the cost structure the US manufacturers have to work with. When you compare apples to apples, the US manufacturers do just as well on fuel economy as the imports. The US manufacturers resisted the CAFE and wanted a different formula to go by. It's not as simple as what this author has made it out to be.
44 posted on 12/07/2008 2:49:06 PM PST by truthguy (Good intentions are not enough!)
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To: truthguy

Thanks — I guess that’s what affect teh big German autowerks too.


45 posted on 12/07/2008 9:41:11 PM PST by Cronos (Ceterum censeo, Mecca et Medina delenda est)
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To: truthguy

Not with regards to the UAW problem — I’m talking about the choice of cars, the range, narrowign the number of brands etc. — I see Ford doing more on that as well as on improving it’s profitability and efficiency as a company. I’ve also been returning to Ford cars (including the Ka) and they are goooood. GM, on the other hand — all I see them doing is keep makign the same silly mistakes over and over again


46 posted on 12/07/2008 9:43:23 PM PST by Cronos (Ceterum censeo, Mecca et Medina delenda est)
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To: kempo

Mind if I ask you what car you drive? Or, perhaps, you are like some good folks I know who commute on most days by motorbike/small car / bicycle and, during winter by their truck —> a sensible use of resources and one which, when we drill ANWAR, will ensure gas for Americans for generations. Good on you, citizen.


47 posted on 12/07/2008 9:48:04 PM PST by Cronos (Ceterum censeo, Mecca et Medina delenda est)
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To: Cronos
Chevy Malibu- MT car of the year
Cadillac CTS
Corvette
Buick Enclave
Can Ford match this?
48 posted on 12/07/2008 10:27:54 PM PST by truthguy (Good intentions are not enough!)
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To: truthguy

Perhaps not — you’re right. how about improving their profitability — Ford was showing significant gains until this downturn while GM was and is basically doing the same mistake over and over again


49 posted on 12/07/2008 10:39:42 PM PST by Cronos (Ceterum censeo, Mecca et Medina delenda est)
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To: Cronos
Harley Davidson Electraglide.
50 posted on 12/08/2008 1:12:11 PM PST by kempo
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

He’s got an agenda. Like many with an agenda, his beliefs shape his facts, rather than the other way around.


51 posted on 12/08/2008 1:33:57 PM PST by gogeo (Democrats want to support the troops by accusing them of war crimes.)
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To: NJJ
The only solution I can see is for companies that are forced to ask the government for assistance, to be required to take a percentage (TBD) hit across the board for all employees...

Alan Mulally was asked during the hearings if he would agree that all executive employees should take an across-the-board cut in pay. He replied that they needed to be able to hire the best employees, and they cost more.

The problem isn't white collar pay...pay there is based upon the market. No, there's too much "magic" thinking.

The Feds think they can get the auto industry the EU has, without $6/gal gasoline; management has believed for many years that they were entitled to market share; and the unions have pi$$ed in the well for the last 50 years, and are now complaining the coffee tastes funny.

You can't employ unskilled labor at a cost of $72/hr, when your competitors are at ~$43/hr. You can't buy out unneeded employees at $135K each when cash is short; and you cannot run the business when the national contract is thicker than the phone book.

It's not surprising the auto companies are having financial difficulties; it's amazing they've made it this long.

It appears that Management at Ford and GM have seen the light. Chrysler, who knows?

Listening to Gettlefinger during last week's hearings, it's apparent he doesn't get it; listening to congresscritters, it's apparent they don't, either.

52 posted on 12/08/2008 1:56:35 PM PST by gogeo (Democrats want to support the troops by accusing them of war crimes.)
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To: kempo

ah, a fellow biker — there IS no better way to travel :)


53 posted on 12/08/2008 6:05:20 PM PST by Cronos (Ceterum censeo, Mecca et Medina delenda est)
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To: gogeo
I worked there from 1954 through 1963. Those were the good old days. I wish I could have listened to more of the hearings. News clips don't tell enough. I agree these are tough times and there are no easy answers.

I talk to retired friends in Detroit and they all feel they have been making good progress in retooling a new product line to meet energy demands. The collapse of the credit market is what has brought them to this brink.

The irony is that Congress and it's lack of oversight is what made the economy unstable and $4/gallon gas (in a recession) is what tipped it over. Now Obama is backing off on offshore drilling and Congress wants to manage the auto industry! Good luck - we all need it.

54 posted on 12/08/2008 8:14:12 PM PST by NJJ (Support al Qaeda . . . Give to the DNC)
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To: NJJ

They’re caught in the wake of the perfect storm.


55 posted on 12/09/2008 1:17:34 PM PST by gogeo (Democrats want to support the troops by accusing them of war crimes.)
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