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To: Deepest End; Squantos; TomasUSMC; Travis McGee

As former military - sworn to defend the Constitution against all enemies - both foreign and domestic — I would like to KNOW that the CIC who has the power to order me into certain death, at least held that office under conditions SPECIFIED by the Constitution!

If Obama can’t PROVE he is a legitimate NATURAL BORN AMERICAN CITIZEN —I will never accept him as President, and in fact view him as an enemy of the Constitution and Republic.

For Obama to refuse to submit documents to verify his eligibility — is certainly justification to deny him the office.


14 posted on 12/06/2008 2:19:12 PM PST by river rat (Semper Fi - You may turn the other cheek, but I prefer to look into my enemy's vacant dead eyes.)
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To: river rat

Ditto for me on your feelings .


15 posted on 12/06/2008 2:21:17 PM PST by Renegade (You go tell my buddies)
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To: river rat

“If Obama can’t PROVE he is a legitimate NATURAL BORN AMERICAN CITIZEN —I will never accept him as President, and in fact view him as an enemy of the Constitution and Republic.”

That makes two of us!

He has no past. What is he hiding???


17 posted on 12/06/2008 2:22:52 PM PST by proudofthesouth (In spite of what's going on in the world, God is still in control.)
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To: river rat

Surely the Supremes see it as clearly as you stated. I wish you would fax that exact statement to them asap.


22 posted on 12/06/2008 2:27:01 PM PST by dandiegirl
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To: river rat

That’s just it - he doesn’t have to produce anything. Nobody does. And the chicken sh*t SC sure won’t. So we’ll have a precedent of letting anyone be elected as president -natural-born citizen or not. I am disgusted by this but nothing any of us can do about it. The Constitution is just a piece of paper.


42 posted on 12/06/2008 3:33:58 PM PST by nobama08
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To: river rat
If Obama can’t PROVE he is a legitimate NATURAL BORN AMERICAN CITIZEN —I will never accept him as President, and in fact view him as an enemy of the Constitution and Republic.

"From time to time, the tree of liberty must be watered with the blood of patriots & tyrants."

56 posted on 12/06/2008 4:08:56 PM PST by dware (3 prohibited topics in mixed company: politics, religion and operating systems...)
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To: river rat
TO ALL:

"If Obama can’t PROVE he is a legitimate NATURAL BORN AMERICAN CITIZEN —I will never accept him as President, and in fact view him as an enemy of the Constitution and Republic."

I'm with you and would further state that we ALL -- those of us who are American Citizens - have a duty to uphold OUR constitution...

And I am not obligated to wait for the government to 'guide' me.

If Obama doesn't come forth with a verifiable original or copy of his vault birth certificate -- as would be expected of a minimum-wage security guard, as a prerequisite to his employment -- I will NOT consider him as President of the United States.

If ALL three branches of government allow this to pass I can only conclude that the Government has become corrupt -- perhaps in the hands of a foreign or seditious power.

In that case -- Constitution in hand -- I will look to the framers of OUR constitution for guidance.

"If there is anything which it is the duty of the whole people to never entrust to any hands but their own -- that thing is the preservation of their own liberties and institutions." - Abraham Lincoln

"The people of the United States are the rightful masters of both Congress and the Courts, not to overthrow the Constitution, but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution." - Abraham Lincoln

"Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God." - Thomas Jefferson

STE=Q

63 posted on 12/06/2008 6:08:40 PM PST by STE=Q ("These are the times that try men's souls." -- Thomas Paine)
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To: river rat

Your right RR ...but...

Hannity or Rush or Savage could call for a March on Washington, but they don’t. I think its time to call these rich big shots up and tell them that they need to put their money where their mouth is.

Hell, one thing they could do is fly a blimp over D.C. towing a sign that said “WHERE IS HIS BIRTH CERTIFICATE”?

But then if the current President won’t do anything....hummm


67 posted on 12/06/2008 11:21:01 PM PST by TomasUSMC ( FIGHT LIKE WW2, FINISH LIKE WW2. FIGHT LIKE NAM, FINISH LIKE NAM)
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To: river rat

Hussein must offer proof beyond a reasonable doubt that he is a natural born citizen. He has been legally challenged. Rather than produce the requisite documents, he has lawyered up like a Mafia Don. He has spent over 800 G’s on three legal firms, and is thumbing his nose at many of the American people’s demands that he satisfy a basic constitutional requirement. He has insulted our intelligence by proffering an obviously fraudulent Hawaiian Certification of Live Birth as proof of his natural born status, despite the criminal ramifications of such actions.

Three presidential candidates have had their constitutional eligibility challenged in the 20th and 21st centuries, Barry Goldwater, George Romney, and John McCain. All of these men produced the requested documentation for legal analysis. None of them hid behind surrogates and all of them at one time or other addressed the issue in public. None of them relied exclusively on surrogates to speak for them on this matter.

Far more damage will be done to the country if a usurper is allowed to take office, subsequently shown to be ineligible after having signed legislation, initiated ratified treaties, made appointments to US offices, ordered troop movements, only to have all those official acts reversed after the truth comes out. I would rather deal with the riots attendant on keeping him out of office than face a civil war. That war will not be a War Between the States like our affair in the mid 19th Century, where one faction wanted to secede and leave the Fed Gov intact. Both sides, with the exception of Guerrilla skirmishes in the border states, faced off using Napoleonic era tactics with clearly delineated borders. This conflict would be an intermingled inter and intrastate struggle over who controls the government. It would be ugly and probably brutal beyond belief. We must do all that we can do NOW to prevent such a hideous possibility.

If it is apparent beyond reasonable doubt that Hussein is not a natural born citizen, then we must look to any and all legal and constitutional actions to deny him the presidency. If the constitution of the US is not worth defending against mob rule, then nothing is. If we wish to preserve the republic, than we had best let the chips fall, and then sort them out. By whatever means necessary.

We who value the constitution will not allow the moral emphasis of this argument to be inverted. All this speculation, correct or not; has come about because this lying crypto-marxist thug from the most corrupt environs of leftist Chicago sewer politics has ascended to POTUS-elect status with the willing acquiescence of the MSM. The MSM was hell-bent on concealing this usurper’s background because they wanted him to be elected. Now, in a classic case of blame the messenger, those of us who believe in the constitution are being reviled for insisting that a POTUS comply with a basic requirement that most of us unhesitatingly conform with when seeking a driver’s license.

Ask yourself, what kind of narcissistic, self absorbed individual rends the public tranquility like this when the remedy is so easy for a legitimate candidate? The arrogance and effrontery of this man is breathtaking. The founders knew that they were not natural born citizens, so they had to include language in Art II Sec 1 that exempted THEM. Does this fraud think that he is better than Washington, Madison, Adams, and Jefferson in that sense? Apparently he does, and with the acquiescence of enough people, he will succeed in usurping and corrupting the Executive Branch of government. This situation presents the very real possibility of impelling this great nation beyond a constitutional crisis toward a civil war.

Many decry us for undertaking a hopelessly Quixotic enterprise, doomed to failure. Perhaps so. Therefore, I recall you to a time when a group of men, who were attempting to bring a new vision of liberty and democratic republican governance to the world vowed their lives, their fortunes and their sacred honor to that task. Yes, the group of men who were the Founders. I believe that Barack Obama is a unique domestic threat to the republic that they founded that I have never seen before in my lifetime. Hussein is a man who has stated his contempt for a “fundamentally flawed” constitution. I believe that he is prepared, by dint of education and inclination, to destroy or significantly weaken it. He could be our version of Julius Ceasar, a precursor to the end of our Republic, unless we oppose vigorously oppose him NOW before he gets into office. (If he can prove his natural born status, then I will accept that and oppose him on policy being CERTAIN that I will have to owing to his already professed world view)

Finally, consider the implications of a man who would undertake these devious machinations to knowingly assume an office that he has no constitutional claim to, and than to see this same counterfeit president elect take an oath to defend that constitution. I believe that such a man would be willing to impose ANY sort or despotism or tyranny upon us to retain power.


71 posted on 12/07/2008 8:37:35 PM PST by DMZFrank
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