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To: fightinJAG

But there is no evidence that Obama was not born in Hawaii. He has a birth certificate, AND the state of Hawaii has said repeatedly its real.

Additionally, that doesnt matter because Obama is a citizen even if he was born outside the country, because his mother was a citizen. McCain was born in panama, and he is a natural born citizen.

I feel like this controversy is a waste of time.


77 posted on 12/05/2008 4:57:56 PM PST by ddanimal
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To: ddanimal

I see you just signed up to FR today to give us your enlightend two sense worth. Either you are a troll or just totally ignorant. If number 2, please do your homework before spouting off.


91 posted on 12/05/2008 5:06:49 PM PST by suijuris
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To: ddanimal

Welcome to FR.....Bwah, ha ha ha


97 posted on 12/05/2008 5:09:58 PM PST by Calpernia (Hunters Rangers - Raising the Bar of Integrity http://www.barofintegrity.us)
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To: ddanimal
He has a birth certificate, AND the state of Hawaii has said repeatedly its real.

Real, but from what country? Hawaii did some interesting things.

Additionally, that doesnt matter because Obama is a citizen even if he was born outside the country, because his mother was a citizen.

Not true. Apparently you haven't been following this for long.

106 posted on 12/05/2008 5:20:41 PM PST by Right Wing Assault ("..this administration is planning a 'Right Wing Assault' on values and ideals.." - John Kerry)
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To: ddanimal

Both of McCain’s parents were Americans. And, believe it or not, it is not actually settled at law that he was eligible to serve as President either. Had he won the election, this EXACT same challenged would have been made against him by the Left.

Which proves the point that the SCOTUS should bring some clarity to this area of the law, at the minimum by saying the Congress should.

As for Obama’s citizenship by descent, remember he had to have been a natural born citizen under the laws in effect at the time of his birth, which some argue made it necessary for him to attain citizenship by descent from his father-—which was impossible in this case.

Plus, we have never had a president whose parents were not Americans at the time of his birth. That may or may not make a difference. But that is the point: it may or may not, we don’t know, and this is the President and the Constiution we’re talking about here.


112 posted on 12/05/2008 5:27:36 PM PST by fightinJAG (TWO BIG BUSH TAX CUTS EXPIRE AT THE END OF 2008. Happy New Year, love, President Obama)
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To: ddanimal
"I feel like this controversy is a waste of time."

You came all the way over here just to post that?

115 posted on 12/05/2008 5:31:27 PM PST by Radix (Posting cynical responses ever since...."What time is it anyhow?")
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To: ddanimal

You said — “Additionally, that doesnt matter because Obama is a citizen even if he was born outside the country, because his mother was a citizen. McCain was born in panama, and he is a natural born citizen.”

Not necessarily... According to what I was reading — because of his mother’s age and the guy she married being from Kenya, Obama would not qualify to be a citizen. The mother wasn’t old enough, you see, even with her being a citizen. She had to have been in the U.S. a certain number of years by a certain age or Obama would not qualify. That’s the problem, you see...

Now, with McCain, it was with two American citizen parents and he was born in an area that the court determined qualified him to be “natural born”. That was taken to a court and a court made that determination. Besides, McCain gave over his birth certificate right away — no problems. Obama still refuses to do so.

In regards to the State of Hawaii, they don’t say where Obama was born, only that they have the document there. You look at the words very carefully and they avoid saying where Obama was born *even though* they know that this is the *main issue*... They don’t want to say and be the ones who get sued for releasing that information if Obama hasn’t.

So, it’s all a matter of Obama doing *everything he can* to hide his birth certificate and the information on it. There’s a serious problem there, otherwise, he wouldn’t have a problem in releasing it.


116 posted on 12/05/2008 5:31:33 PM PST by Star Traveler
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To: ddanimal

“But there is no evidence that Obama was not born in Hawaii. He has a birth certificate, AND the state of Hawaii has said repeatedly its real.

Additionally, that doesnt matter because Obama is a citizen even if he was born outside the country, because his mother was a citizen. McCain was born in panama, and he is a natural born citizen.

I feel like this controversy is a waste of time.”

Baloney. You are an Obot. That’s why you signed up today to tell us all of your disinterest. Buzz off.


125 posted on 12/05/2008 5:42:15 PM PST by Smokeyblue
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