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1 posted on 12/05/2008 1:47:19 PM PST by forkinsocket
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2 posted on 12/05/2008 1:53:17 PM PST by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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Well, who expected that?


4 posted on 12/05/2008 1:56:04 PM PST by Billthedrill
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“When you’re handed lemons, make lemonade.” - Torquemada


5 posted on 12/05/2008 1:57:01 PM PST by decimon
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Focusing on the Y-chromosome, which passes from father to son, Jobling's team matched each Iberian's DNA to modern Basques, North Africans, or Sephardic Jews. They chose Basques as representative of Iberians who trace their ancestry to early Europeans because studies have shown they interbred sparingly with other groups.

By choosing Basques they introduced a huge confound.Basques are so xenophobic that they have scarcely interbred with any other groups from Spain or Europe, ever. Basque is the only European language with no connection to the Indo-European language family.

7 posted on 12/05/2008 2:01:36 PM PST by Bertram3 (something else to live down)
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Ping!


8 posted on 12/05/2008 2:02:01 PM PST by rabscuttle385 ("If this be treason, then make the most of it!" —Patrick Henry)
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Jews, 1492, Moriscos 1640, get your History right.


9 posted on 12/05/2008 2:03:11 PM PST by Little Bill (Just a Poor White Person , clinging to God, Guns, and the Constitution)
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This melting pot probably occurred after centuries of coexistence and tolerance among Muslims, Jews and Christians ended in 1492

Yes, all was sweetness and light before 1492.

11 posted on 12/05/2008 2:14:39 PM PST by Jacquerie (If you are Christian, thank the barbarian Charles Martel.)
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This melting pot probably occurred after centuries of coexistence and tolerance among Muslims, Jews and Christians ended in 1492, when Catholic monarchs converted or expelled the Islamic population, called Moriscos. Sephardic Jews, whose Iberian roots extend to the first century AD, received much the same treatment.

Unmentioned here is that the Christians were living as second-class citizens (Dhimmis) under Muslim rule. When the Christians finally reconquered Spain, they wisely decided that allowing the Muslim population to remain would subject them to endless trouble and insurrection, so they told the defeated Muslims to leave.

14 posted on 12/05/2008 2:43:58 PM PST by PapaBear3625 (Question O-thority)
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One in five Spaniards and Portuguese has a Jewish ancestor, while a tenth of Iberians boast North African ancestors, finds new research.

The Afrocentric nonsense that "the Moors were black" takes another hit. The Spanish are not especially subsaharan-African-looking.

16 posted on 12/05/2008 3:00:40 PM PST by denydenydeny ("Banish Merry Christmas. Get ready for Mad Max.."-Daniel Henninger)
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bump


20 posted on 12/05/2008 3:48:24 PM PST by VOA
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Genetics apparently confirms what you can learn from almost any history of Spain.

My wife, who is Cuban and of Spanish ancestry, was raised a Catholic. But she and her family have little doubt that they have a Sephardic /Jewish bloodline. In fact she “appears” more Jewish than many Jews I know.


21 posted on 12/05/2008 4:00:45 PM PST by DeFault User
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This melting pot probably occurred after centuries of coexistence and tolerance among Muslims, Jews and Christians ended in 1492

This is a Liberal/Black Legend lie. The persecutions in the summer of 1391 expelled much of the Jewish population from the big cities, were their quarters could be easily stormed, sacked and burnt. The survivors moved to smaller towns, living in smaller numbers, so they could usually seek protection in the feudal lord's castle (to whom they lent money).

The Catholic kings acted against such disruptions of internal order in the same way the English and French have done before them. They were creating a State, and a State is defined by the monopoly of violence. They could not tolerate rioting and they could not tolerate attacks against Jews, because, according to Feudal laws, Jews were the property of the King: each time this happened, the power of the King was eroded.

Sephardic Jews, whose Iberian roots extend to the first century AD, received much the same treatment.

The moriscos -Muslims said to be converted- were expelled in 1609, after one century trying to absorb them. Cryptojews -Jews said to be converted- could not move out of Spain until around 1590. They went then preferably to the Low countries. However, they no longer lived segregated, as during the Middle Ages: they went in smaller numbers and fully integrated in the society. (Segregation was one of the causes of rioting.)

Some authors estimated the Jew population converted during the century of persecutions (1391-1492) and the expulsion in 100,000 people, in a population of 6 million Spaniards: many of us must have Jewish ancestry.

Other 100,000 Jews moved out of Spain in 1492 (estimated figures).

The expulsion effectively terminated the ferocious popular Spanish antisemitism until modern times (the foundation of the State of Israel and the Arab wars). It can only be traced back in the use of some words.

Sefardic Jews can seek the Spanish citizenship since 1924, by a law approved by General Primo de Rivera. This allowed diplomat Sanz Briz to save 5,000 Jews from Budapest during the WWII. Some came from Greece (if the Nazi forces let them reach the Spanish embassy in Athens to apply for it). Unfortunately, for many Sefardic Jews this law was unknown (it was never publized).

The Black Legend itself, used by Protestant nations to somewhat justify their actions, was founded in Italy during the wars between Spain and France (1490-1510) on grounds that the people from the new nation created by the Catholic Kings have too much Jewish ancestry (they were marranos, pigs).

PIGS still define the peoples of Portugal, Italy, Greece and Spain in some Northern European press' articles.
25 posted on 12/06/2008 2:41:53 AM PST by J Aguilar (Veritas vos liberabit)
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