Posted on 12/05/2008 9:52:12 AM PST by pissant
Dec. 5, 2008 | Barack Obama can't be president: He wasn't really born in Hawaii, and the certification of live birth his campaign released is a forgery. He was born in Kenya. Or maybe Indonesia. Or wait, maybe he was born in Hawaii -- but that doesn't matter, since he was also a British citizen at birth because of his father, and you can't be a "natural-born citizen" in that case. (But then, maybe his "father" wasn't really his father; maybe his real dad was an obscure Communist poet. Or Malcolm X.)
You might think these rumors would have died off after Obama produced proof in June that he was, in fact, born in Hawaii to an American citizen, his mother Ann, or after Hawaiian state officials confirmed in October that he was born there. You might think the rumors would have died off after was elected by a comfortable margin. Instead, they've intensified. There have been paid advertisements in the Chicago Tribune questioning the president-elect's birth certificate and eligibility, and one group is raising money to run a similar ad on television. The right-wing Web site WorldNetDaily has been reporting on the issue almost non-stop. Numerous plaintiffs have filed lawsuits in various states. And Friday, the Supreme Court's nine justices will decide whether they want to hear one of those suits, which also contends that John McCain, born in the former Panama Canal Zone, does not meet the Constitution's requirements to hold the presidency.
The people hoping this is a sign the court will agree with them and stop Obama from becoming president are almost certain to be let down. The fact that the case has gone to conference doesn't mean anything about its merits -- the court will also be
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Het Bammy....just tell us what hospital you were born in and show us your VAULT COPY of your BIRTH! Then we will all go away.
He MAY have been a Citizen of Indonesia when he was adopted by Sotero.
I, for one, doubt he was born in Hawaii. Unless the Kenyan Grandmother is a LIAR......which I guess you thonk she is, becuae she said he was born in Kenya and she was there.
This is not about obstruction, fraud or anything else. This is about Human Resources! This is about proving your right to legally work for the American people in this capacity. If you apply to work for someone in America, they will ask you for your SS Card and a government issued picture ID. If you apply to a “higher” opportunity like doctor or lawyer, they will also ask for proof of your degree and certification to legally practice whatever it is you are wanting to practice. Therefore this is a HR issue.
The problem is, there is no “HR” department for the constitution. The constitution does require the House of Representatives to certify and therefore, I would guess, verify the candidates, but right now I do not think the Democrat controlled House is going to do their job - do you?
In America, the office of President requires that you be a natural born citizen. So far, Senator Obama has refused to prove this and as such should be dismissed from the pool of people who can be hired - just as if I applied for, was given an offer letter from, and then expected the Memorial Herman Hospital to hire me as the head surgeon (BTW, I have about 36 credit hours of college - that’s it)!!!
The past President’s had a history about them, which proved each of their legality to hold this position.
Senator Obama will not release a single document that might show he is not eligible. Why do you think he will not release his college records - he probably is listed as a foreign student!
If we sit down and shut-up, then we might as well burn the D@MN constitution on January 20th, since it won’t be worth SH!T come January, 21st!
“I don’t think the law would be that inflexible if it came down to it, no matter what argument can be made. The public and the courts would find them unreasonable.
You can run for president without worries !”
I would disagree with that. The founders were worried to the point of paranoia (sp?) about someone with any type of allegence or ties to a foriegn country. That’s why they put the “natural born citizen” requirement in. Natural born has never just meant “born on US soil”, and it’s easy to document that it never has.
You can tell from reading this article, other articles, and posts that most people are totally confused about this (including many legal scholars.) Anyone that quotes the 14th amendment immediatly shows they don’t understand the subject. The 14th amendment ONLY deals with citizenship, not the more specific “natural born citizen”.
The founders were afraid of direct vote by citizens, so the created the electorial college. Most people today think the electorial college is no longer needed, but I don’t see the supreme court getting rid of it anytime soon.
The public (today) might find the parental requirement unreasonable, but the people that wrote the Constitution didn’t. Like the electorial college, they had a legitimate concern at the time so they added it to the Constitution to address that concern.
I think the “camel nose under the tent” that gets this case heard is the fact that several states had the socialist candidate on the ballot (a guy born in Nigeria and not natural born by anyone’s definiton.) Once the case is in court, anything can happen. If they are going to rule on the socialist candidate’s status, then they will have to define what natural born means Constitutionally. I almost gurantee it won’t just be born on US soil.
The Media will continue to do the “voters have decided, nothing here, cases will go nowhere” talking points as long as they can. They knew all about both Obama and McCain not meeting the Constitutional requirements. Just my opinion.
“its a slam-dunk that courts would say that “natural born” NOW means born to a US citizen anywhere. “
It depends if they rule on original intent or living document standards.
I doubt that Chief Justice Roberts and Justices; Scalia, Thomas and Alito would "burn the D@MN constitution."
I do not believe the Richardson statement will be admissible in any case before the SCOTUS.
“They knew all about both Obama and McCain not meeting the Constitutional requirements. Just my opinion.”
I’m the furthest thing from a McCain fan, but I have to disagree with you on this point.
Now that this Constitutional crisis is looming, I have come to that conclusion that the Media, DNC, RNC all knew that Obama and McCain did not constitutionally qualify as “natural born” citizens, even though they both are citizens. I respect McCain so much for his service to our country, and consider him an American hero. However, the Constitution must be followed and upheld. That is all I care about right now. We can live through whatever comes, but if our Constitution is considered a living breathing document that can provide a pass for Presidential candidates, our Republic will not get through that!
Why then was he dormed with foreign nationals in college. The practice then and now is to place students with cultural peers to ease their ability to communicate and socialize.
The court cannot make a feel good interpretation of born to a US citizen anywhere. The Constitution is breif and explicit in the requirements.
Acting like a citizen for 40 years does qualify one as a citizen. If you are here illegally then you have comitted multiple felonious frauds in those 40 years. And, I don’t care if you are from Ireland, England or any other blue eyed country and here illegally.
He has at least three BC’s
1. His original BC before adoption, that was sealed upon his adoption.
2. His new adopted identity BC with his Stepfather.
3. His new change of name identity BC or one from another country.
Mr. President:
As a condition of your employment by the citizens of the USA please fill out this I-9 form.
You need to present two valid forms of ID. One from column A and one from column B. Alternatively, you can present a valid ID from column C but one must be from column A.
David Axelrod made sure that the folks in the MSM received their necessary talking points.
I really don’t care what the majority of the public thinks of this subject. They’re the ones who got us here in the first place.
(I do care what most Freepers think.)
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