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1 posted on 12/04/2008 11:44:24 AM PST by Vince Ferrer
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To: Vince Ferrer

Very interesting. Something’s definitely up with gold prices — they have not been acting the way you’d expect them to in a situation like this.


2 posted on 12/04/2008 11:48:25 AM PST by quesney
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To: Vince Ferrer

Ping for later reading.


5 posted on 12/04/2008 11:58:17 AM PST by April Lexington (Study the constitution so you know what they are taking away!)
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To: Vince Ferrer

The most interesting part, Gold Short Sellers moving in contra to the price of gold elsewhere is not fleshed out other then to say “the Fed and the short sellers are old friends”..but a market will make a dollar, where is the specific collusion?

It’s the same problem with Gold, the market is too shallow and easily manipulated.


6 posted on 12/04/2008 11:59:03 AM PST by padre35 (You shall not ignore the laws of God, the Market, the Jungle, and Reciprocity Rm10.10)
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To: Vince Ferrer

—bflr—


8 posted on 12/04/2008 12:11:23 PM PST by rellimpank (--don't believe anything the MSM tells you about firearms or explosives--NRA Benefactor)
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To: Vince Ferrer
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It won't matter much if you purchase gold at $750, $800, $850, $900 per ounce, or even much higher. All of these prices will be looking extraordinarily cheap in a few months. The price of our pretty yellow metal is about to explode,...

Pure crap.

Pure manipulation.
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11 posted on 12/04/2008 12:46:11 PM PST by Jackie
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To: Vince Ferrer

And where will silver go? If the country goes back on the gold standard, will the government call in all gold as in the past?


12 posted on 12/04/2008 12:56:54 PM PST by RC2 (Where is Obama's Birth Certificate??????)
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To: Vince Ferrer

“””In spite of an avalanche of complaints from gold and silver investors, the CFTC (Commodity Futures Trading Commission) has never bothered to audit even one vault to see if the short sellers really have the alleged gold and silver they claim to have”””

Reminds of the naked shorting controversy with stocks.

A fixed market where the retail guy gets screwed every time.

I really am getting the feel like the 8 or so old family members I have buried in the last ten years had who lived through the last depression. - put the money in the mattress, do not trust bakers, stock brokers or anybody else.

They had a good reason.

One thing good about the change in the economic climate is the deafening silence from the rabid free traders and the quit talking down the economy crowd. Peace


13 posted on 12/04/2008 1:10:33 PM PST by underbyte
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To: Vince Ferrer; shove_it; misterrob; nkycincinnatikid; webschooner; I_like_good_things_too; ...
Thanks for posting, Vince. Saved me the effort.
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Another interesting article .

While I don't personally agree with all of the conclusions,
( For instance: the expectation than any industrialized nation will ever return to the gold standard is laughable IMHO
the background info is useful.

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17 posted on 12/04/2008 2:23:32 PM PST by LegendHasIt (Freepmail me if you want to join the Precious Metals ping list.)
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To: Vince Ferrer
Interesting read, but we don't see any clear discussion of the "physical market" versus the "paper market." And as has become so devastatingly evident in the mortgage-RE world, the two realms can become so uncoupled that "fraud" or the derivative equivalent runs awry, in the paper side of the market.

Some examples:

Every time gold (or silver) is physically moved there is considerable expense in re-assay (mandatory) and of course logistics.

Mining and associated yield of those metals is intimately tied to production of geochemically related resources, lead, tin, zinc, etc. and by such, intimately tied to world economic production,

Both gold and silver have real world technical use which can fluctuate depending again on world economics and technology.

Oil is traded on a spot market with sporadic paper manipulations, but the very graphic, and unrelenting, end game, is its physical exploitation. Precious metals, being not so tightly coupled, are clearly more subject to paper manipulation, but how much more? Perhaps not as much as a pin-stripe suited Fed Reserve geek in a leather chaired boardroom wishes to think. Does anyone know if Ben Bernanke has ever worked in the silver mines of Peru?

Thus there can be a host of "instruments" conjured by the financial guru's, just as we could conjure say some "insurance" instrument associated with the transfer of the metal, or just as negotiable distributable debt instruments were conjured for the mortgage realm. But then Humpty Dumpty reigns.

Energy incidentally, Joules, Ergs, BTU's, etc. is the normalized parameter of man's material prosperity.

Johnny Suntrade

18 posted on 12/04/2008 2:31:21 PM PST by jnsun (The LEFT: The need to manipulate others because of nothing productive to offer)
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19 posted on 12/04/2008 4:21:00 PM PST by 444Flyer (Gen. 12:3 ,John 3:1-36)
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To: Vince Ferrer

Naked short selling is a scourge. I for one will not invest any money in the US equity or commodity markets until this issue is addressed seriously. The means to prevent naked short selling exists, but no will.

It is already illegal to intentionally sell short without the means to deliver but nobody is policing it. Nobody is forcing a buy-in when the trade fails. Furthermore, market makers and options contract market makers are permitted to naked short sell as a hedging strategy, but that loophole is ripe for abuse since anyone could force an option market maker to naked short sell by taking a large options position.

For crying out loud they even have a list of stocks with inordinate numbers of fails and they don’t do anything other than list them as REG SHO (fail). They don’t investigate who is failing, why they are failing, or force anyone to deliver.

This scam has destroyed or damaged hundreds if not thousands of companies. If you can sell shares that you do not own, cannot locate for borrow and have no intention of borrowing, then you are artificially increasing the supply and putting downward price pressure on the issue.

The markets are unsafe and ripe for fleecing - as everyone with eyes has just seen occur.


20 posted on 12/04/2008 4:42:49 PM PST by monkeyshine
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To: Vince Ferrer

ping


39 posted on 12/05/2008 3:18:55 AM PST by Bellflower (A Brand New Day Is Coming!)
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