Posted on 12/03/2008 11:43:31 PM PST by BP2
Oops - hey at least it was underwear stuff - tell her I was helping you shop for ideas for her Christmas presents.
Strange, the copy I have does have a comma after "States", although I don't think it changes the meaning or intent:
No person except a natural-born citizen, or a citizen of the United States, at the time of the adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the office of president....
Sounds like Donofrio ignored the case law, specifically US vs. Wong Kim Ark.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_v._Wong_Kim_Ark
The gist of it: if Obama was born in Hawaii, his parents’ citizenship is completely irrelevant, so long as neither of them is a foreign diplomat or part of a hostile occupying force.
This is going nowhere fast.
So far, I haven't seen a third category in COTUS or law distinguishing something called "natural born" citizen as opposed to simply born in the U.S.
“The Supreme Court Justices know this, and I trust that they will move with high regard for the critical importance and urgency it deserves. To do otherwise will invite chaos at every level.”
I hope you are right; I really, really do. I want to know if Mr. Obama can rightfully be sworn into office. I agree it will dog him if it isn’t resolved (but I think it will die down in time). I do not think the comparison with the 2000 election is appropo though. Something had to be done then, chaos was looming. This issue (BC - citizenship) appears to only really matter to a small percentage of us (it does matter to me). However, 99% of the population don’t really care, and of course, the MSM is keeping them in the dark. And those of us who care are not insurrectionists, we respect law and order. It will hurt the country in the long run, but most of us will eventually go silent until he (Mr. Obama) does something really eggregious.
Summary - I don’t know what will happen. I want the SCOTUS to examine this, but I am a pessismist and don’t think they will (no good reason other than I am a pessimist). If they do run with it, I will be chearing!
“DONOFRIO IS SAYING OBAMA CANNOT BE A “NATURAL BORN CITIZEN,” BECAUSE HIS FATHER WAS A BRITISH CITIZEN AT THE TIME OF OBAMA’S BIRTH.”
That is patently ridiculous. Where the parents were born matter not. If a person is born in the United States, he is a natural born American citizen.
The question is exactly where Obama was born. If he was born in Kenya or Indonesia, he is not a natural born citizen of the US, and ineligible to be POTUS.
If he was born in Hawaii, he is.
What about a child born abroad to two American parents who register his birth immediately at the American Embassy in that country. How would this affect children born to American citizens working or studying abroad?
And you base this on...?
What is the issue of the birth certificate? Looks like there’s a copy showing he’s born in Hawaii. The only other piece of evidence that seems to be missing is verification by confirmation of his birth hospital records.
I hear what you say, and you're certainly entitled to your pessimism about the SC's probable handling of this, but I would counter that this issue is of extreme importance, has national security implications, and is cared about by a lot more than the 1% of the population that you indicate. You and I are among the few that speak up and discuss these things, but many more are quietly watching.
I'm crossing my fingers for Friday.
It is pretty much all or nothing IMHO when it comes to the SCOTUS passing judgement. Stevens has not before demonstrated a conscience in accord with my own.
It is not codified anywhere I'm aware of.
...but the fact is, that statement comports with the original intent of the Framers of the Constitution.
OK, so point out where they defined the difference.
“I’m crossing my fingers for Friday.”
Amen to that.
Someone posted earlier that a copy of the original parchment contains the comma, for what it’s worth. Still think text and intent are the same, however.
You need to read more and troll less.
We have no proof that he was born on US soil. We have what is alleged to be a certified Hawaiian COLB printed on a laser printer sometime around 2007. Where is the original vault copy? Where is the attending physician's signature? If the attending physician is still alive, where is his attestation that that his signature?
I would run. I”m a citizen, just born in italy so i don’t qualify.
I still feel obama ran for president to promote his book and became the accidential president. But that is just my opinion. That is the law we need. Nobody who wrote a book can run for president within so many years of writing that book. These people don’t run because they think they have a chance they run to promote their books
That’s exactly what I’m saying. The founders were “interested” in the birthplace of the President, and not in the birthplace of his parents. “Natural born” citizens were those born within the country.
Speaking of those old musty documents... I've been over at the National Archives, viewing/reading the Amendments. It's the first time that I've actually viewed the original documents. It's fascinating, especially when viewing the earliest ones written on parchment paper.
FYI: I'm heading off for a break (momentarily) to attend our communitys' downtown Christmas Parade. ;o)
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