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Thomas Breaks Tradition: Forces Supreme Court to Look at Obama Citizenship Case
THE AFRO-AMERICAN NEWSPAPERS ^ | 12/3/08 | James Wright, AFRO Staff Reporter

Posted on 12/03/2008 11:43:31 PM PST by BP2

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To: Las Vegas Dave
My wife just walked into the room as I got to the photo, now she said she knows why I spend so much time on Freerepublic... I had to do some ‘splainin!!!!!

Oops - hey at least it was underwear stuff - tell her I was helping you shop for ideas for her Christmas presents.

421 posted on 12/04/2008 3:16:48 PM PST by IrishPennant (He that is good for making excuses is seldom good for anything else.)
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To: thesetruths
No person except a natural-born citizen, or a citizen of the United States at the time of the adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the office of president.... There is no comma after "States" and before "at" in the copy on my wall.

Strange, the copy I have does have a comma after "States", although I don't think it changes the meaning or intent:

No person except a natural-born citizen, or a citizen of the United States, at the time of the adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the office of president....

422 posted on 12/04/2008 3:17:19 PM PST by Jim W N
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To: Salvation

Sounds like Donofrio ignored the case law, specifically US vs. Wong Kim Ark.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_v._Wong_Kim_Ark

The gist of it: if Obama was born in Hawaii, his parents’ citizenship is completely irrelevant, so long as neither of them is a foreign diplomat or part of a hostile occupying force.

This is going nowhere fast.


423 posted on 12/04/2008 3:21:36 PM PST by kenboy
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To: jcsjcm
I'm not an Obamacrat, I have a copy of the Constitution in my hand, and I've only gotten this far on this thread, and so far, I've seen only Constitutional distinction regarding citizenship I've seen is 1) born in the U.S. or 2) naturalized in the U.S., with the caveat of being subject to U.S. jurisdiction.

So far, I haven't seen a third category in COTUS or law distinguishing something called "natural born" citizen as opposed to simply born in the U.S.

424 posted on 12/04/2008 3:24:55 PM PST by Jim W N
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To: Windflier; All

“The Supreme Court Justices know this, and I trust that they will move with high regard for the critical importance and urgency it deserves. To do otherwise will invite chaos at every level.”

I hope you are right; I really, really do. I want to know if Mr. Obama can rightfully be sworn into office. I agree it will dog him if it isn’t resolved (but I think it will die down in time). I do not think the comparison with the 2000 election is appropo though. Something had to be done then, chaos was looming. This issue (BC - citizenship) appears to only really matter to a small percentage of us (it does matter to me). However, 99% of the population don’t really care, and of course, the MSM is keeping them in the dark. And those of us who care are not insurrectionists, we respect law and order. It will hurt the country in the long run, but most of us will eventually go silent until he (Mr. Obama) does something really eggregious.

Summary - I don’t know what will happen. I want the SCOTUS to examine this, but I am a pessismist and don’t think they will (no good reason other than I am a pessimist). If they do run with it, I will be chearing!


425 posted on 12/04/2008 3:26:23 PM PST by Sola Veritas (Trying to speak truth - not always with the best grammar or spelling)
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To: BP2

“DONOFRIO IS SAYING OBAMA CANNOT BE A “NATURAL BORN CITIZEN,” BECAUSE HIS FATHER WAS A BRITISH CITIZEN AT THE TIME OF OBAMA’S BIRTH.”

That is patently ridiculous. Where the parents were born matter not. If a person is born in the United States, he is a natural born American citizen.

The question is exactly where Obama was born. If he was born in Kenya or Indonesia, he is not a natural born citizen of the US, and ineligible to be POTUS.

If he was born in Hawaii, he is.

What about a child born abroad to two American parents who register his birth immediately at the American Embassy in that country. How would this affect children born to American citizens working or studying abroad?


426 posted on 12/04/2008 3:30:03 PM PST by Cincinna (TIME TO REBUILD * JINDAL* PALIN * CANTOR 2012)
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To: Jim 0216
Yes, it's strange! Don't know why this fancy framed Constitution I have is different, but I think it's more accurate as to intent.
427 posted on 12/04/2008 3:30:12 PM PST by thesetruths
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To: meadsjn
Neither is being a naturalized citizen, but neither of these comply with the intent of the founders' that US presidents should have no divided loyalties.

And you base this on...?

428 posted on 12/04/2008 3:32:13 PM PST by Non-Sequitur
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To: kenboy
Are you saying that the founders were not in fact ‘interested’ in the case of foreign citizenship of someones parent or parents, when it came to eligibility for the Presidency?
429 posted on 12/04/2008 3:33:28 PM PST by freepersup (!)
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To: mrs9x

What is the issue of the birth certificate? Looks like there’s a copy showing he’s born in Hawaii. The only other piece of evidence that seems to be missing is verification by confirmation of his birth hospital records.


430 posted on 12/04/2008 3:34:32 PM PST by Jim W N
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To: Sola Veritas
I do not think the comparison with the 2000 election is appropo though. Something had to be done then, chaos was looming. This issue (BC - citizenship) appears to only really matter to a small percentage of us (it does matter to me).

I hear what you say, and you're certainly entitled to your pessimism about the SC's probable handling of this, but I would counter that this issue is of extreme importance, has national security implications, and is cared about by a lot more than the 1% of the population that you indicate. You and I are among the few that speak up and discuss these things, but many more are quietly watching.

I'm crossing my fingers for Friday.

431 posted on 12/04/2008 3:34:35 PM PST by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Cicero
"I think possibly Stevens still has a conscience."

It is pretty much all or nothing IMHO when it comes to the SCOTUS passing judgement. Stevens has not before demonstrated a conscience in accord with my own.

432 posted on 12/04/2008 3:34:43 PM PST by Radix (Posting cynical responses ever since...."What time is it anyhow?")
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To: Windflier
It may not be codified to your satisfaction in US law...

It is not codified anywhere I'm aware of.

...but the fact is, that statement comports with the original intent of the Framers of the Constitution.

OK, so point out where they defined the difference.

433 posted on 12/04/2008 3:35:37 PM PST by Non-Sequitur
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To: Windflier

“I’m crossing my fingers for Friday.”

Amen to that.


434 posted on 12/04/2008 3:39:07 PM PST by Sola Veritas (Trying to speak truth - not always with the best grammar or spelling)
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To: thesetruths

Someone posted earlier that a copy of the original parchment contains the comma, for what it’s worth. Still think text and intent are the same, however.


435 posted on 12/04/2008 3:39:15 PM PST by Jim W N
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To: Non-Sequitur
Writings of the discussions of the framers of the Constitution during its development. Some of these points were made in Denofrio's filing.

You need to read more and troll less.

436 posted on 12/04/2008 3:42:57 PM PST by meadsjn (Socialists promote neighbors selling out their neighbors; Free Traitors promote just the opposite.)
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To: Windflier
Then, you've got children born to one US parent, and one foreign parent on US soil

We have no proof that he was born on US soil. We have what is alleged to be a certified Hawaiian COLB printed on a laser printer sometime around 2007. Where is the original vault copy? Where is the attending physician's signature? If the attending physician is still alive, where is his attestation that that his signature?

437 posted on 12/04/2008 3:43:03 PM PST by Campion
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To: Cvengr

I would run. I”m a citizen, just born in italy so i don’t qualify.

I still feel obama ran for president to promote his book and became the accidential president. But that is just my opinion. That is the law we need. Nobody who wrote a book can run for president within so many years of writing that book. These people don’t run because they think they have a chance they run to promote their books


438 posted on 12/04/2008 3:53:13 PM PST by genxer
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To: freepersup

That’s exactly what I’m saying. The founders were “interested” in the birthplace of the President, and not in the birthplace of his parents. “Natural born” citizens were those born within the country.


439 posted on 12/04/2008 3:54:00 PM PST by kenboy
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To: thesetruths
Well, wouldn't those old guys have a hoot if they could see us today poring over their words--and commas--on computer screens!

Speaking of those old musty documents... I've been over at the National Archives, viewing/reading the Amendments. It's the first time that I've actually viewed the original documents. It's fascinating, especially when viewing the earliest ones written on parchment paper.

FYI: I'm heading off for a break (momentarily) to attend our communitys' downtown Christmas Parade. ;o)

440 posted on 12/04/2008 3:56:08 PM PST by freepersup (!)
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