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Sark under new pressure to end feudal system
The Times ^ | 12/3/2008 | Gordon Rayner

Posted on 12/02/2008 5:32:08 PM PST by bruinbirdman

Three judges agreed that the role of the island's unelected Seneschal - who is both president of Sark's parliament and its chief judge - contravened the European Convention on Human Rights, which protects the rights of individuals to a fair trial.

The declaration by the Appeal Court is not legally binding, but if the island's rulers do not implement the judges' recommendations to remove one of the Seneschal's two roles they could face further legal action in future which could force them to act.

Sark has operated under a feudal system for 450 years, after Elizabeth I granted the island's feudal lord, or Seigneur, the right to operate it as an independent "royal fief".

But after drawing up a new constitution, the island will embrace partial democracy on December 10 when it holds its first elections for seats in the island's parliament, the Chief Pleas, which had previously been reserved for 40 Sark landowners.

Critics have said the reforms do not go far enough, because the Seneschal, Lieutenant Colonel Reginald Guille, and the Seigneur still keep many of their powers.

Sir David and Sir Frederick Barclay, proprietors of Telegraph Media Group, who own property on Sark, challenged the constitution, arguing that it retained the "relics of feudalism".

Although Sark, as a Crown dependency, is not part of the UK or the EU, its laws must be given Royal assent, meaning they must be scrutinised by the Privy Council, led by the Justice Secretary, Jack Straw.

The Barclay twins challenged Mr Straw's decision to approve the Sark constitution, arguing that he had failed in his duty to ensure that the island's laws complied with European conventions.

Finding in favour of the Barclays, Lord Justice Pill ruled that the position of the Seneschal - who, sitting alone, "constitutes the sole court of

(Excerpt) Read more at telegraph.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: aristocracy; eu; feudalism; monarchy; sark

1 posted on 12/02/2008 5:32:09 PM PST by bruinbirdman
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To: bruinbirdman

I did not realize this. I have a friend who is living on Sark at this very moment, and he never mentioned it.


2 posted on 12/02/2008 5:36:27 PM PST by Edgar3 ("Is there a Patriot in the house?")
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To: bruinbirdman
to ensure that the island's laws complied with European conventions.

This is the final end of monarchy and aristocracy in Great Britain, except as a social function.

3 posted on 12/02/2008 5:47:30 PM PST by cmj328 (Filibuster FOCA or lose reelection)
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To: bruinbirdman

Sounds like allowing only landowners to vote has worked pretty darned well! Sark hasn’t started any wars, hasn’t taken anyone over, hasn’t had any domestic problems worthy of note. Don’t know how their economy is working, but it surely can’t be worse than ours. Tall me again why our system is superior?


4 posted on 12/02/2008 5:48:03 PM PST by sailor4321
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To: bruinbirdman
Dang meddling immigrants!

They settled in Sark to dodge taxes, and then they want to bring to bear all the oppressive machinery of the liberal tyrants they fled.

Just like the doggone Californians moving to Arizona and Nevada.

5 posted on 12/02/2008 5:49:03 PM PST by AnAmericanMother (Ministrix of ye Chasse (TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary - recess appointment))
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To: bruinbirdman
Serfs in medieval Europe paid about 33% of their crop to the land owner. Who would have guess they had it easy compared to the average middle class American who is at about 50% in taxes...
6 posted on 12/02/2008 5:52:40 PM PST by 2banana (My common ground with terrorists - they want to die for islam and we want to kill them)
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To: cmj328

No, I think the House of Lords and the monarchs rulership over the Anglican Church mean the monarchy/nobility is still alive if not well.


7 posted on 12/02/2008 6:07:49 PM PST by vladimir998 (Ignorance of Scripture is ignorance of Christ. St. Jerome)
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To: sailor4321
"Sounds like allowing only landowners to vote has worked pretty darned well!"

Elections like our last one make me like that idea better and better.

That and a literacy test... administered in English only.

8 posted on 12/02/2008 6:31:31 PM PST by Redbob (W.W.J.B.D.: "What Would Jack Bauer Do?)
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To: bruinbirdman

OK, I give up - WTH is “Sark?”


9 posted on 12/02/2008 6:32:11 PM PST by Redbob (W.W.J.B.D.: "What Would Jack Bauer Do?)
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To: bruinbirdman; Fred Nerks; Beckwith; LucyT; Polarik; george76; F15Eagle
It is better to be a feoffor or a feoffee in a feifdom, than the subject of a socialist dictator like Obama, who now is attempting a coup on America, from the non constitutional office of the so called "President Elect."

Why is Obama still in campaign mode?

Something to do with where he was born perhaps? A feudal vestige of our constitution? LOL?

Consider yourself enfeoffed.

Effing Great isn't it?

10 posted on 12/02/2008 6:36:09 PM PST by Candor7 (Fascism? All it takes is for good men to say nothing, ( member NRA)
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To: Redbob; Jim Robinson; Fred Nerks; LucyT
"Sark" is the Scots English word for shirt, but more particularly, it is also a fiefdom full of feoffors and feoffees who are said to be getting feoffed right off!

Thats the problem.

But it has been known to be a fiefdom located in the English Channel Islands, but seems to be floating towards Europe.

11 posted on 12/02/2008 6:41:09 PM PST by Candor7 (Fascism? All it takes is for good men to say nothing, ( member NRA)
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To: Redbob

Google “the Sark lark” for info on a sweet little tax haven that may be about to disappear. Lanes full of cozy thatched-roof cottages, each bearing the brass nameplates of half a dozen “multinational” corporations.


12 posted on 12/02/2008 11:33:15 PM PST by Tenniel2 (Sometimes you have to confront evil head-on. Mutt-boy delenda est.)
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To: vladimir998
the Anglican Church

Almost all semblance of religion long ago left the CoE, along with most of its worshippers. The "bishops" of that government-funded socio-cultural organization are government-appointed life peers. If the monarch is a sort of special patroness, that's practically a private affair. Antidisestablishmentarianism is dead, and whatever might be left of the old establishment will follow soon enough.

There was some hope for Sark, but now that's gone too.

13 posted on 12/03/2008 4:25:13 AM PST by cmj328 (Filibuster FOCA or lose reelection)
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To: sailor4321
Sark is a tax haven. By all accounts I have ever heard, itworks uite well.

Naturally the socialists find a need toscrew things up.

14 posted on 12/03/2008 4:37:20 AM PST by Jimmy Valentine (DemocRATS - when they speak, they lie; when they are silent, they are stealing the American Dream)
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