Posted on 12/01/2008 2:43:49 PM PST by fanfan
OTTAWA–NDP Leader Jack Layton and Liberal Leader Stephane Dion have signed an historic accord to form a coalition government to replace Prime Minister Stephen Harper's Conservatives.
In an extraordinary scene on Parliament Hill, Dion and Layton signed a formal deal to work together through to June, 2011.
And they signed an agreement with Bloc Quebecois Gilles Duceppe that commits the separatist party to support the coalition through to June, 2010.
The opposition parties are threatening to defeat the Conservatives next week.
However their plan to assume government would require the blessing of the Governor General.
Under the deal, the Liberal caucus would be responsible for choosing the finance minister, a key role as the country faces economic storms.
The NDP would get six positions in the 24-member cabinet as well as six parliamentary secretary positions.
Layton said the coalition would move with a stimulus package that is "prompt and prudent."
That plan includes infrastructure spending, home construction, renovations and financial support for "struggling sectors" that can demonstrate a viable business plan.
He urged Harper to accept his looming defeat "gracefully" and not make moves that create "further instability and delay."
Duceppe said his party would not introduce any non-confidence motions or vote against any budgets or speeches from the throne until the agreement expires but would be free to vote as it wishes on any other legislation.
Dion will serve as leader until a Liberal leadership convention in May.
The NDP and Liberals have settled on an agreement to form a coalition government, with the support of the Bloc Quebecois.
They could defeat the Conservatives as early as next Monday.
Liberals Michael Ignatieff, Bob Rae and Dominic LeBlanc, all candidates for the party leadership, appeared together to show support for the decision.
Rae said "there’s no turning back" from plans to toss Prime Minister Stephen Harper’s Conservatives from power.
Liberal MP Martha Hall Findlay said the deal was done and no announcement by Harper - short of proroguing parliament, which she does not believe he will do - is going to stop the opposition parties from defeating the government next Monday.
Ignatieff told reporters that the ongoing race would not preclude any of the contenders from serving in a coalition cabinet.
Ignatieff and Leblanc said it was the prerogative of the prime minister to choose.
"The decisions on who is in cabinet are made by the prime minister of Canada, they’re not made by me, they’re not made by Dom and they’re not made by Bob," said Ignatieff.
"And that’s very clear in the accord that’s to say the authority and the prerogatives of the prime minister have not been compromised. It’s up to Mr.Dion to make the choices that he feels are right for the country."
Leblanc responded: "Michael is always right!"
Harper got a standing ovation from Conservatives as he took his place in the Commons with two notable exceptions - Justice Minister Rob Nicholson and Trade Minister Stockwell Day.
Dion got a standing ovation from Liberal and NDP MPs as he kicked off question period with a question to the prime minister about stimulus for the country’s economy.
Lisa Raitt, a rookie Conservative minister, was among some Conservatives who put on a brave face, saying she was honoured to have served the people of her Halton riding even if it turns out to have been a short time.
The prime minister dismissed Dion’s shot in the Commons about playing partisan games in his economic statement.
Harper shot back that the Liberal leader was "about to play one of the biggest political games" in the country’s history.
Harper appealed to the opposition to wait until seeing the budget, scheduled for Jan. 27.
"I understand he wants to be Prime Minister. . . . I wouldn’t want to be governing the economy in his position," Harper said, referring to the coalition of "socialist economic" and "separatists."
Finance Minister Jim Flaherty accused the Liberals of making a "deal with the devil" and said the NDP "don’t know the first thing" about running the economy.
Sources said the deal calls for the coalition government to deliver a federal budget immediately after taking office. The budget would include a major package of stimulus measures to shore up the troubled economy.
The NDP said this morning that the deal has not been signed but the two sides are "very close."
The game of high-stakes political intrigue has set the stage for a week in which Harper's Conservatives will fight to retain power.
It appears nothing short of a fresh economic statement with measures to help Canadians cope with the recession is likely to dissuade the opposition from defeating the Conservative minority and trying to form a coalition government.
Flaherty kicked off the day yesterday with a full-scale retreat from his Nov. 27 economic statement, with a promise of economic stimulus measures in an early budget on Jan. 27.
For the first time, he hinted strongly that Ottawa would bail out Canada's struggling Big Three automakers.
But the Liberals and New Democrats said the latest concessions from the Conservatives are not enough to derail the move to defeat the Tory minority and take power with a coalition cabinet. A confidence vote that could topple the government is expected on Dec. 8.
Another bitter episode was spawned when the NDP said it might pursue legal action after the Conservatives taped a private New Democrat caucus meeting Saturday and distributed the transcripts and recordings to the media yesterday.
In the meeting, NDP Leader Jack Layton tells his caucus that "moves" with respect to the Bloc Québécois "a long time ago" helped lay the groundwork for the coalition now being discussed – a statement the Conservatives say suggests the fiscal update is merely an excuse for the revolt.
Yesterday, in another reversal from the economic package, Flaherty told a telephone news conference the government would remove from legislation implementing the package a bid to temporarily ban public service strikes. On Saturday, he backed down on the plan to scrap federal subsidies for political parties.
Flaherty stressed that the government has tried to stave off an economic slowdown by using lower taxes – he brought in a six-year, $60 billion tax reduction program in 2007 – to improve business conditions. But he said there will be further stimulus to the economy, and suggested it might include help for the auto sector.
"We're going to have to deal with the automotive issue, obviously," he added. "Will we have to help a particular sector or more than one particular sector? The answer is probably yes."
The federal and Ontario governments have asked Ford, General Motors and Chrysler – thought to be collectively seeking $3 billion to $4 billion in aid – to produce recovery plans by Friday.
Flaherty's statements indicate the Tories are trying to limit damage in the wake of an economic package that has raised questions about the government's credibility and political smarts.
"The stability of the government and the economy is paramount," he said. Rather than propose to scrap the federal subsidy for political parties, the Conservatives will move to freeze the payments at the current $1.95 per vote and put the issue before the public for future debate.
Flaherty sounded unusually subdued. While his future was not discussed, questions about his role as finance minister can be expected now that the economic strategy has blown up in the government's face.
Since last week, the Liberals, NDP and Bloc have been involved in closed-door talks aimed at preparing a coalition government.
There are questions whether the Liberals could act cohesively to join in an attempt to oust Harper. The main issue surrounds which Liberal would head the coalition and potentially become prime minister. It is known that Stéphane Dion, the caretaker leader, would expect to do so, despite doubts among some Liberals who blame him for the party's Oct. 14 election defeat.
In a meeting in Toronto last night, Liberal leadership contender Bob Rae tried to convince fellow contenders Michael Ignatieff and Dominic LeBlanc to show a unified front by accepting the deal with Dion as coalition leader, according to a Rae supporter. Rae argued there is no reason to change "the legitimate leadership process" that will replace Dion in May.
For the opposition, the "central issue" continues to be the Tories' lack of a package of significant new measures to address the economy, which Flaherty admits has fallen into a recession, said Liberal finance critic John McCallum.
"I still don't think anything has really changed," McCallum (Markam-Unionville) said after Flaherty's news conference.
He said there's also a growing question of credibility with the Harper government. "Here we are when they're desperate to save the government and they'll promise us the moon. But when we're promised the moon, I don't think we necessarily believe it."
Deputy NDP leader Thomas Mulcair said the provocative economic update was a "terrible miscalculation by the Conservatives."
"We're not going to give them another chance," he said. "We're structured, we're organized, we've worked very hard for the past four days and you're going to see the fruits of that labour very shortly."
Mulcair also said the covert taping of the NDP call "shows the desperation of the Conservatives."
Pierre Poilievre, Harper's parliamentary secretary, told CTV the transcript shows there were "members of the NDP who were working with the separatists who want to destroy Canada in order to take control of the country in a perilous coalition.
"All of this was hatched long ago, well before any of the controversy over the fall economic statement. That is shocking news," he said.
The recording was made by a Conservative who was able to dial into Layton's teleconference call with New Democrat MPs.
Mulcair denied his party was engaged in discussions with the Bloc before the Nov. 27 economic statement. The situation is no different from "consultations" Harper had with the NDP and the Bloc as opposition leader against the minority Liberals in 2004, Mulcair said.
He also said the NDP is looking at its legal options, saying party discussions were "illegally intercepted."
The Tories downplayed the 2004 consultations, saying there was never any intention of a coalition.
There were several signals over the weekend that the affair has damaged Harper's leadership. Several senior Conservative government members admitted they had been hearing from supporters outraged over Harper's moves.
With files from Linda Diebel
The difference between right and wrong. :-)
When hasn’t a minority government had it’s leader as the Prime Minister?
These 3 leftist parties will run the Canadian government without even a minority. It will fall of course but after much damage to the economy as Canada will have lost it’s history of having a stable government system, not to mention what they will do through Parliament to move Canada to the left. Canadians said NO to this just 6 weeks ago.
If there is a, no confidence vote there needs to be another election as Canadians did not vote for a coalition of the left with a Quebec separatist party to be their government.
Oh certainly. The other party whips are going to have their work cut out for them making sure that the Conservatives don’t pull a fast one and have more MPs on-hand for a vote than the coalition does, thus forcing an election. And they’ll have to pray for consensus among the party leaders. But the longer this lasts, the worse things will look for Harper personally because he’s a legendary control freak. If thing settle into a workable atmosphere, he may join Preston on the lecture circuit.
http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story/2008/12/01/coalition-talks.html#socialcomments
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It's not just Canada. Look at California and the Libs' reaction to the passage of Prop 8.
Libs are the same everywhere. They just can't stand democracy and the will of the people.
Interesting.
What are your thoughts on Harper in general? Good guy? Effective leader? Solid conservative?
Actually, on straight numbers, more Canadians said Yes to this than to the Conservatives. The only difference is that the Alliance bought-out it’s political rival for the right-leaning vote by way of an unprincipled Willcocks.
And as far as the damage to the economy is concerned, you obviously haven’t been around when Flaherty runs anything.
Truhfully? Control freak. Wouldn’t trust him in charge of the local dog pound. Then again, I’m a Red Tory so I’m not his natural constituency
Red tory is what exactly?
What is Harper’s big base of support?
I don’t know much about him except that he and his conservative government was re-elected, and I always thought Canada was pretty liberal.
Fiscally conservative, socially liberal. That’s actually the demographic that both the Liberals and the present Conservatives covet most as they represent the wishes of the largest majority of Canadians.
However, Brian Mulroney made the Progressive Conservative party particularly toxic after the whole “Irish Eyes” fiasco and the Liberals made the astute move of positioning themselves as the party of the centre. Peter McKay did the weak thing and sold the PC Party out to the Alliance Party, thus depriving Canadian voter of an alternative on the conservative side of the political spectrum.
Just as an addendum, Canada is pretty liberal by comparison to the States. Our Conservatives are by-and-large to the left of the Democrats
I've found that to be a ludicrous, impossible and rankly hypocritical combination. You cannot be the latter and be the former at the same time. To support the latter means to be supportive of highly expensive government programs. Being a Social Lib is not cheap by any means. Conversely, as we've seen all around, you can be a Social Conservative and Fiscal Liberal (all the while claiming to be a Fis Con). Spending is an epidemic worse than cancer.
We know, that’s why we’re trying to urge on our Canadian friends to discard the profound damage the Nazi/Stalinist Trudeau inflicted upon the Great White North and move it back to saneland again. :-)
Wrong, the CPC has more seats than the Liberals and the NDP combined. The Bloc ran only in Quebec on what was best for Quebec not Canada. Canadians clearly did not want the Liberals to form the government and never have wanted the NDP to do so either. Canadians should get the minority CPC government they voted for, period.
“I’ve found that to be a ludicrous, impossible and rankly hypocritical combination.”
Say what you will, but it worked just fine for about 7 decades. And we aren’t talking absolutes of action or opinion. Anybody who says he acts absolutely one way or another in every situation is either lying, demented or both.
Uh huh! Seems to me that saneland seems to be trying to be more like Canucks. Go figure! There’s hope for the lost colony yet! ;)
Poppycock.......spoken like a true red tory. You must have missed the voting at the recent CPC convention by the delegates it was very conservative including socially conservative. I would also hazard a guess you don't live in Western Canada where the conservative power base is. Your statement is true of the majority of so called conservatives in Ontario and east....red tories are just another label for liberals, ask any conservative. The CPC still can't get more votes in Ontario and east than any other party. Ah it just occurred to me, you may not consider Western Canada as really part of Canada ....we are just the colonies to red's out east.
Politically, the BQ is in the same range as the Liberals when you exclude the separation issue. And the PQ ran third in a 3-party race last time out for a reason. The children of the Quiet Revolution have become their parents and their children are looking for something a little more realistic politically than what the PQ offers. That’s why the ADQ did as well as they did last time out (though I doubt they’ll repeat this time around).
Give the voters of the conservative persuasion a viable option from the current Conservative Party and I think you’ll find that things aren’t nearly so cut-and-dried as you’d like to believe.
I disagree that it has “worked”, since it is a contradiction in terms. I also very rarely work or toil in shades of gray, as that’s a routine tactic used by the left to diminish and smear often crystal-clear delineations of right and wrong.
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