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He finds a difference between a volunteer military during wartime and a conscripted one and then claims surprise??

My fear is that so many soldiers will leave now that Baraq will be CIC that we will have to again revert to the draft. A lot of young recruits will never want to serve under his administration, and if something big happens I don't think that people will want to give their life for our nation like they would under a CIC who loves them back.

1 posted on 12/01/2008 6:12:56 AM PST by Abathar
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To: Abathar

> My fear is that so many soldiers will leave now that Baraq will be CIC that we will have to again revert to the draft.

I think His Excellency anticipates that mass departure, which is one of the reasons that will justify him surrendering in Iraq.

It also justifies and enables his massive Civilian Security Force. That’s where the “draft” part of your observation comes in.


2 posted on 12/01/2008 6:19:32 AM PST by DieHard the Hunter (Is mise an ceann-cinnidh. Cha ghéill mi do dhuine. Fàg am bealach.)
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To: Abathar

Wow, this guy is a real professor at a Community College!


3 posted on 12/01/2008 6:19:55 AM PST by MNSlim
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To: Abathar

Sounds like another lefty wacko that has not taken time to examine the right as to why they are Patriotic for fear that they will discover their unpatriotic makeup.


4 posted on 12/01/2008 6:20:32 AM PST by mountainlion (concerned conservative.)
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I also wonder what other factors he considered. For example, those who took a life were more likely deployed in provinces that were in turmoil—and thus benefitted more from the US presence.


5 posted on 12/01/2008 6:21:24 AM PST by Gondring (Paul Revere would have been flamed as a naysayer troll and told to go back to Boston.)
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To: Abathar

What a bunch of crap.


6 posted on 12/01/2008 6:22:00 AM PST by Tenacious 1 (Democrats are for Change - Let's run through a mine field at night wearing clown shoes!)
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Those who disagree with the policy, then, become automatic enemies.

35-40 years ago, they were enemies, too. Now, they're just elected Democrats.
8 posted on 12/01/2008 6:27:57 AM PST by Thrownatbirth (.....Iraq Invasion fan since '91.)
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To: Abathar

more communistic dribble

Anything to break down the U.S.A.


10 posted on 12/01/2008 6:29:22 AM PST by i_dont_chat
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A study involving 68 interviews? To draw such grand conclusions is not only anecdotal and unworthy of publication beyond Junior High School. The fact that a magazine with a once great reputation would permit this drivel to be included speaks volumes about the decline of education in this country.


11 posted on 12/01/2008 6:32:23 AM PST by Steamburg ( Your wallet speaks the only language most politicians understand.)
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That title is insulting.


13 posted on 12/01/2008 6:36:48 AM PST by Vision ("Test everything. Hold on to the Good." 1 Thessalonians 5:21)
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To: Abathar

“My fear is that so many soldiers will leave now that Baraq will be CIC that we will have to again revert to the draft. A lot of young recruits will never want to serve under his administration, and if something big happens I don’t think that people will want to give their life for our nation like they would under a CIC who loves them back.”

We swear to protect and defend the Constitution of the United States and to obey the orders of those lawfully appointed over us. We don’t serve the person sitting in the CinC’s chair, we serve the Constitution. Frankly, if somebody’s going to make his or her decision to sign up based on who’s in the chair, I don’t want him or her in the military. Just my 2 cents.

Colonel, USAFR


15 posted on 12/01/2008 6:39:17 AM PST by jagusafr ("Bugs, Mr. Rico! Zillions of 'em!" - Robert Heinlein)
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Those that took lives were also likely those that knew what they were getting into, went in with both eyes open, and signed up for duty that would put them in front line combat.

Marine re-con, special forces, etc.

Those called up from the national guard and reserves may very well have never figured they might have to serve in combat.

Lefty pukes shouldn’t attempt to write about things they don't understand.

18 posted on 12/01/2008 6:40:43 AM PST by Beagle8U (FreeRepublic -- One stop shopping ....... Its the Conservative Super WalMart for news .)
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I subscribed to Scientific American back in the 70’s. The magazine just aint what it used to was.


22 posted on 12/01/2008 6:52:58 AM PST by Skid Marx
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I don’t believe there has been a change in a soldier’s attitude about men he has killed in action. I know that America’s assumption that soldiers must demonize the enemy has, is and will always come from America’s “soccor mom” mentality, where violent spectators have an adrenal rush and assume their own maladies are real.

When Christ blessed the Centurion, in Matthew 8:9-10, for having been trained under the same authority (def: standard policies and procedures) that the Centurion trained his men to, the Centurion was a Roman invader. In Christ’s next breath, Matthew 8:11-12, He cursed the “soccor moms” of both sexes who worship heavenly imaginations.

I have slain men and admired their courage in the same breath that I have cursed America’s imaginary excuses for swinging back and forth between the Boy George and Slick Willy Political Prties.

Guilt has been, is and will always be in the eye of the beholder (Matthew 7:3-5,6; 2Peter 2:18-22).


25 posted on 12/01/2008 7:26:14 AM PST by davis.esquire
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PROFESSORS of FOOTBALL! -

"investigators were surprised to find that these veterans instead resented Americans whose opinions about the war suggest that their killings may have been unjustified."

This is a good example of why successful TV networks use ex-players to provide analysis of the games, and not "Professors of Football". I would like to suggest another of the multiple possible reasons for these veteran's resentment.

Other than if you are remote from the battlefield, for instance flying a UAV from Las Vegas, if you have been in a position to kill someone or in a battle situation where killing is taking place, it is very likely that you, and your fellow service members, were in a position to be killed too. In my experience, survivors of these situations are very much aware of the lives their KIA buddies will never live. And, survivors are also aware of all that would have been lost had they themselves been KIA. Therefore, there is resentment of those fellow cititzens who fail to support, or worse, WITHDRAW SUPPORT from those who have survived exposing themselves to this level of risk and sacrifice.

And, you may ask, "What right do those fighters have to demand such support?"

Well, for many of the Vietnam generation (volunteer or draftee), it was this 1961 Inaugural Speech statement by President Kennedy:

"Let every nation know, whether it wishes us well or ill, that we shall pay any price, bear any burden, meet any hardship, support any friend, oppose any foe, in order to assure the survival and the success of liberty."

29 posted on 12/01/2008 7:43:34 AM PST by LZ_Bayonet (There's Always Something.............And there's always something worse!)
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A couple of weeks ago a Staff Sergeant from the 80th Infantry Division (The Blue Ridge Unit) made a presentation to our Cub Scout Pack. This unit walked from the English Channel through France, Germany and into Austria. They fought in the Battle of the Bulge. They helped liberate Buchenwald.

One of the kids asked him if he felt sorry for the enemies that he had to kill. He replied quickly and firmly, "No. But I felt sorry for my guys who were hurt and killed."

He gave every appearance that he had examined his own conscience thoroughly and was very comfortable with his actions. If I had seen what he had seen, I'm sure my answer would have been just as quick and firm. If I had seen what the Mideast radicals engage in up close, I am sure that I would answer just as quickly and firmly today.

31 posted on 12/01/2008 7:54:00 AM PST by Ghengis (Barack Obama is the kindest, bravest, warmest, most wonderful human being I've ever known in my life)
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When you as a soldier, are pinned down with a hail of bullets and mortar fire, there is only one thought in your mind. The survival of your comrades and you. It is human nature to want to survive. It is hard wired into us. The moment that you have the enemy in your scope,finger on the trigger, your heart pumping so hard you can’t breathe, you can’t second guess the shot. So it comes down to your life or his. When you pull the trigger, yes there is a large amount of hate directed toward your target, but you’re not killing him because you love him. And after the enemy falls embedded in a cloud of red spray, your glad his dead. After the battle, when your sit review what took place,some feel remorse and some celebrate. When I was trained, we trained to feel nothing. No hate, no guilt.Just purpose.This is why a Marine Snipper is the most feared soldier in battle. Five years latter, back in daily civilian life,I found that this to be the best way to survive the horrors of war.


34 posted on 12/01/2008 8:21:47 AM PST by odin2008 (EVIL TRUMPHS WHEN GOOD MEN DO NOTHING)
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For example, in the Vietnam War soldiers were drafted, and people who avoided serving were viewed with suspicion, he explains.

What a load of crap. Where was this nimrod during Vietnam? Those who dodged were considered "morally superior". Those who went were the simple-minded tools of a murdering administration.

“The veterans are aware of their status as the ‘stepchildren’ of polite American society, a sense that’s enhanced by their abysmal treatment upon returning,”

Hogwash. Today's returning vets are receiving better treatment than at any time since World War II. The problem is not mistreatment by mainstream America, the problem is with the snide whispers coming from the "polite American society" that this nitwit hangs out with.

35 posted on 12/01/2008 8:44:35 AM PST by nopendejos
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That such mindless drivel can pass as “Scientific Study” says more about the sad state of Academia today, that it does about the psychology of former warriors....

My only regret is we didn’t kill more.
NOT making excuses for those successfully destroyed....

My greatest regret is that we ignored the “Enemy Within” in the United States and they have become the “majority”....

How sick is that?


36 posted on 12/01/2008 9:26:41 AM PST by river rat (Semper Fi - You may turn the other cheek, but I prefer to look into my enemy's vacant dead eyes.)
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